[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

I don't see those as rude. But even if they were then they are all recent. What did he do to make the housemates initially bully him?

[ThriceShy]

One of the most bizarre incidents was when Edele starting going off at Gary just because he had said "You aren't making sense."

How on earth is that rude? People say it all the time and if someone like Dee had said it then Edele wouldn't have said a word.

[puzzled]

How can Gary tell when the HMs are slagging him off?
When he sees their lips are mov8ing.

How can HMs tell when Gary's being rude to them?
When they hear voices in their heads.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

One of the most bizarre incidents was when Edele starting going off at Gary just because he had said "You aren't making sense."

How on earth is that rude? People say it all the time and if someone like Dee had said it then Edele wouldn't have said a word.

It's definitely more diplomatic to say "I don't follow what you're saying, or I don't understand" rather than accuse someone of not making sense.

So yeah, you either get that some people might take offense even if you don't mean to cause offense - or you don't.

Social interactions can sometimes require a bit of finesse and most people can do with a bit of refining in certain situations. If you aren't capable of coping diplomatically with people who may be sensitive to certain things, then so be it.

[joeysteele]

Whether some things he has done are what may be termed as 'rude' although I cannot say I have come across anything myself.

He is at a disadvantage in there with his disabilities,people with hearing problems often also have balance problems so I would be allowing for him bumping into people or even swaying towards them at times.
One of my Aunts has hearing problems and is often not only running into people but into things as well.

However,whether rude or not, one thing a really rude person doesn't do is apologise, so even from the examples of some maybe at best borderline things on here, that is something Gary seems to do quickly and without any coaxing to do either,hardly the actions of a rude person at all.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Whether some things he has done are what may be termed as 'rude' although I cannot say I have come across anything myself.

He is at a disadvantage in there with his disabilities,people with hearing problems often also have balance problems so I would be allowing for him bumping into people or even swaying towards them at times.
One of my Aunts has hearing problems and is often not only running into people bit into things as well.

However,whether rude or not, one thing a really rude person doesn't do is apologise, so even from the examples of some maybe at best borderline things on here, that is something Gary seems to do quickly and without any coaxing to do either,hardly the actions of a rude person at all.

That lot i always rude to him and they NEVER say sorry.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Tip

It's definitely more diplomatic to say "I don't follow what you're saying, or I don't understand" rather than accuse someone of not making sense.

So yeah, you either get that some people might take offense even if you don't mean to cause offense - or you don't.

Social interactions can sometimes require a bit of finesse and most people can do with a bit of refining in certain situations. If you aren't capable of coping diplomatically with people who may be sensitive to certain things, then so be it.

We have to take into account the different ways of saying things from a cultural point of view. We also have to remember that maybe Gary has been just a little bit of a recluse, I do not know what sort of home he has but he loves horses, this gives me the impression of freedom. As he said he has been trying to understand things, he puts it into his mind and sort of chews it over. At the end of the day, he is of the age whereby he doesnt have to change for anyone and I do not think he will for anyone of them in there, they have to earn his respect and they havent done that.

Hopefully he will realise that a vast amount of the public love him and admire his way of coping with things, it certainly hasnt been easy for him.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That lot i always rude to him and they NEVER say sorry.

Exactly Vanessa, and for instance Dee is becoming the worst of the lot of them at present too as to that.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Jules2

We have to take into account the different ways of saying things from a cultural point of view. We also have to remember that maybe Gary has been just a little bit of a recluse, I do not know what sort of home he has but he loves horses, this gives me the impression of freedom. As he said he has been trying to understand things, he puts it into his mind and sort of chews it over. At the end of the day, he is of the age whereby he doesnt have to change for anyone and I do not think he will for anyone of them in there, they have to earn his respect and they havent done that.

Hopefully he will realise that a vast amount of the public love him and admire his way of coping with things, it certainly hasnt been easy for him.

Exactly, when you're dealing with people from different cultures, social finesse can be even more significant.

I'll never love Gary or any of the others in there - but I'll appreciate those that entertained me.

I don't think he'll change, not sure if he's capable at his age and with whatever limitations he may have. I'll not be surprised if at the end he claims all sorts in there for making him a better person however.

I don't think any of the others will change due to coming into contact with him or each other either - due to their limitations or whatever.

If some people find him inspirational, then that's very nice for them.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly Vanessa, and for instance Dee is becoming the worst of the lot of them at present too as to that.

They don't even realise how bad they look.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Is there any point? no matter how many examples are given, you and many other people on here just won't accept that he's rude

Tut Tut Liam, this can't be you copping out?

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Why have you posted a link to a lie thread?

Gary never said what is alleged.

No deal, buddy.

sorry! I never verified I humbly ask for forgiveness...........I will accept fair punishment I suggest being hung drawn and quartered and my piggy bank contents + bank balance of 54p be forfeit

Mark L

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Tip

It's definitely more diplomatic to say "I don't follow what you're saying, or I don't understand" rather than accuse someone of not making sense.

So yeah, you either get that some people might take offense even if you don't mean to cause offense - or you don't.

Social interactions can sometimes require a bit of finesse and most people can do with a bit of refining in certain situations. If you aren't capable of coping diplomatically with people who may be sensitive to certain things, then so be it.

So let's compare the finesse of gary with the finesse of other housemates.

Gary says "what" and "shush" and "you aren't making sense".

The other housemates say to, or about, gary "I'm not here to babysit", "that's what you get for being an arsehole", "if only we had learned sign language", "Im glad the 2 freakos are outside" etc etc.

Do you see the huge gulf between them?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

So let's compare the finesse of gary with the finesse of other housemates.

Gary says "what" and "shush" and "you aren't making sense".

The other housemates say to, or about, gary "I'm not here to babysit", "that's what you get for being an arsehole", "if only we had learned sign language", "Im glad the 2 freakos are outside" etc etc.

Do you see the huge gulf between them?

That lot just pisses me off. Bunch of bullies.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by ebandit

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That lot just pisses me off. Bunch of bullies.

True.True.True.

[Chuckyegg]

He just appears to be like a typical American to me. The kind I see in hotels when I travel. Shouty, demanding, yacking on and on, particularly about what it is like to be American. It appears to be rude but it's not really. Just very annoying,

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.

Very well said.

[Johnnyuk123]

Gary is not rude at all. But now I actually want him to be very rude to that bullying obnoxious lot in there cos they deserve it!

[CaudleHalbard]

You can't have concrete examples because the producers, for whatever reason, never show them.

However, the evidence from evictees seems pretty consistent.

The man is awful to live with.

[bots]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

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The man is awful to live with.

Stated as fact, where in reality we have only the word of a bunch of evicted housemates how say it, and these are the same ones that thought it fine to gang up on an individual, and try and brow beat him and bully him. Hardly a respectable source

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Stated as fact, where in reality we have only the word of a bunch of evicted housemates how say it, and these are the same ones that thought it fine to gang up on an individual, and try and brow beat him and bully him. Hardly a respectable source

I agree GARY TO WIN, JAMES IN THE BIN

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

You can't have concrete examples because the producers, for whatever reason, never show them.

However, the evidence from evictees seems pretty consistent.

The man is awful to live with.

The evidence from the evictees is anything but consistent. Frenchy didn't say anything like that.

Audley and Frenchy managed to live with him fine.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

1. He was looking at Steph, with a glass eye thinking whats wrong how can I help?

2. I can't refute but its much less than what others have done

3. He meant Dee could nominate him soon!! thats all - and guess what she did, and also that conversation and several others between Dee and Gary have shown Dee to be ruder of the two.

Of all the abuse received in the house Kellie, Audley and Gary have received the most, from the likes of James.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.

Well said......it is like chinese whispers, James told one who didnt see what was going, then it goes to another and then another etc. etc. each time it can be built up upon. They all listened to James and Leslie to begin with......Leslie admitted that he had treated Gary wrongly and he wanted to apologise to his family. Oh no, no no I can still see Leslie in the middle of that pool with his fans around him......it will stay with me for the rest of my days. Is there a plonker smilie here?