[lostalex]

maybe we should follow the old testament's advice (both the torah and bible), and all disobedient children should be killed.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

maybe we should follow the old testament's advice (both the torah and bible), and all disobedient children should be killed.

Maybe we shouldn't take it literally or they've got us all, one way or another.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe we shouldn't take it literally or they've got us all, one way or another.

If we don't take it literally then how can we hold them accountable? It's a cop out to just let them get away with their violent beliefs if we just say "well maybe they don't believe all of the horrible hate filled violent things in their religion". It's important to hold people accountable for their beliefs.

Most KKK members don't go lynching black people, that doesn't mean that the KKK isn't racist.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If we don't take it literally then how can we hold them accountable? It's a cop out to just let them get away with their violent beliefs if we just say "well maybe they don't believe all of the horrible hate filled violent things in their religion". It's important to hold people accountable for their beliefs.

Most KKK members don't go lynching black people, that doesn't mean that the KKK isn't racist.

I don't personally know anyone, including devout people, who would advocate killing children - or anyone else for that matter. Religious people don't have the monopoly on killing... or on beating children.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't personally know anyone, including devout people, who would advocate killing children - or anyone else for that matter. Religious people don't have the monopoly on killing... or on beating children.

but they do have the monopoly on advocating it. Are there secular people who are abusive? yes. but they don't justify it with their secularism. They don't feel justified for doing it, and they were never Taught to do it in the name of secularism.

Unlike Xtians and Jews and Muslims who are taught that being abusive is okay and even required. They are taught from an early age to be submissive and that anyone who rebels deserves punishment.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but they do have the monopoly on advocating it. Are there secular people who are abusive? yes. but they don't justify it with their secularism. They don't feel justified for doing it, and they were never Taught to do it in the name of secularism.

Unlike Xtians and Jews and Muslims who are taught that being abusive is okay and even required. They are taught from an early age to be submissive and that anyone who rebels deserves punishment.

I was never taught that being abusive is okay - never, ever. So when you say "they", I'm not really sure who you're talking about. Certainly not me... and certainly not anyone I know.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was never taught that being abusive is okay - never, ever. So when you say "they", I'm not really sure who you're talking about. Certainly not me... and certainly not anyone I know.

but you were taught that you should be submissive. and that people who don't submit deserve to be punished.