[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

"Christmas was around before Christianity adopted it"???? Do you mean that a pagan festival in December was around before Christianity adopted it? Christmas or Christ's Mass means a celebration of Christ's birthday and although the actual date on which we celebrate is not accurate and has pagan and secular origins, a celebration of Christ's birthday, is just that; a celebration of Christ's birthday - as distinct from a celebration of the actual time of year.

You will be telling me next that the Shroud of Turin was manufactured by Da Vinci - even though it was in existence 300 years before he was born.

As for; "alleged personal claims..." my claims are substantiated by hard corroborating evidence from eye-witnesses and contemporaries, some of who do not believe in anything 'paranormal' but cannot deny what they did witness as fact. Truthful people in other words.

"Pseudo science"? I don't really understand. Oh you mean pseudo science as in George Zweigt's 1964 proposal for the existence of 'quarks' - the subatomic particles that combine to form all matter? The theory which saw him ridiculed and branded a 'charlatan' by the Scientific Establishment? The very same Establishment which just 5 years later embraced the award of the Nobel prize in Physics to one of Zweigt's contemporaries for the identical theory?

Or Ludwig Boltzmann who was so ridiculed and ostracised for his proposal to that atoms existed, that he hung himself?

There are numerous other examples of pseudo science becoming accepted science.

tbf though Christmas has evolved into something different for alot of people, a time to spend time with their family, give and receive presents, eat and drink lots etc I get almost 2 weeks holidays from work at that time of year because where I work closes, I'm not religious, I'm also not a moron so I'm not going to stop doing something I enjoy just cause I stole it from the Christians

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf though Christmas has evolved into something different for alot of people, a time to spend time with their family, give and receive presents, eat and drink lots etc I get almost 2 weeks holidays from work at that time of year because where I work closes, I'm not religious, I'm also not a moron so I'm not going to stop doing something I enjoy just cause I stole it from the Christians

I'd never advocate anyone not enjoying Christmas Niamh, whether they are religious or not - my point about it was in specific response to LeatherTrumpet's quite aggressive and offensive post. I'm no Bible-Thumping Evangelist. I live a normal life, curse, shag, eat meat on Fridays and have broken my share of the 10 Commandments in my time, but I also happen to believe in God and in elements of the paranormal, have courage in my convictions, and will defend myself when personally attacked.