[Amy Jade]

Nope. His job elevates him to a celebrity of sorts, his face could be in a paper somewhere and his victim sees it by accident. He should be allowed a job back in conjunction with football but not the one he had, keep him in the background.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Nope. His job elevates him to a celebrity of sorts, his face could be in a paper somewhere and his victim sees it by accident. He should be allowed a job back in conjunction with football but not the one he had, keep him in the background.

Considering what we now know about the celebrities of the 80's and 90's on british TV, if you tried to keep all the sex offenders off you might as well just make TV illegal. Hell maybe we should just throw acid in everyone's eyes, blind the public just to make sure they don't see anything offensive.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Considering what we now know about the celebrities of the 80's and 90's on british TV, if you tried to keep all the sex offenders off you might as well just make TV illegal. Hell maybe we should just throw acid in everyone's eyes, blind the public just to make sure they don't see anything offensive.

It flies the face of that whole situation and the outrage if a footballer (who gets paid very well) who is a convicted rapist is allowed back to that job and lifestyle.

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Nope. His job elevates him to a celebrity of sorts, his face could be in a paper somewhere and his victim sees it by accident. He should be allowed a job back in conjunction with football but not the one he had, keep him in the background.

But isn't he front page of the paper now with all this stuff going on? I sort of feel that saying he should work in the background is like saying that someone can return to work at the local sweet shop, but they have to be behind at all times.

Although we have to protect her as much as him, so I see where you're coming from

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Pothuthic

But isn't he front page of the paper now with all this stuff going on? I sort of feel that saying he should work in the background is like saying that someone can return to work at the local sweet shop, but they have to be behind at all times.

Although we have to protect her as much as him, so I see where you're coming from

I understand the argument that he should not be punished forever and if he was a shop assistant and he could return to a job and the victim was not around him then that's fine but he was a job which means he could be in the papers day in day out and his victim have to suffer seeing him again and again just by simply getting on a train and seeing a newspaper on a seat with his face on it.

I'm not against him earning a living but such a high profile one...I don't personally feel he should be allowed to return to it.

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Nope. His job elevates him to a celebrity of sorts, his face could be in a paper somewhere and his victim sees it by accident. He should be allowed a job back in conjunction with football but not the one he had, keep him in the background.

I agree, Sorry but glorifying a rapist back into celebrity status is just as bad as carrying on a punishment. The message that sends out is that it doesn't matter if you rape somebody you can still go back to being a celebrity.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I agree, Sorry but glorifying a rapist back into celebrity status is just as bad as carrying on a punishment. The message that sends out is that it doesn't matter if you rape somebody you can still go back to being a celebrity.

Not meaning to play devil's advocate here but... is it really his fault that his chosen career (professional football) carries celebrity status? It's not like, say, Big Brother celebs who are seeking fame for the sake of fame... it just so happens that football has a lot of interest and so footballers are recognisable public figures. I'd say that most pro sportspeople set out to make a living from engaging in sport, rather than seeking fame / celebrity...

Also, celebrity isn't exactly something you choose. He isn't "going back to" being a celebrity. He is still a celebrity. Just (allegedly) a celebrity who raped someone. Rolf Harris is still a celebrity. Gary Glitter is still a celebrity. ... Jack the Ripper is a celebrity, of sorts.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not meaning to play devil's advocate here but... is it really his fault that his chosen career (professional football) carries celebrity status? It's not like, say, Big Brother celebs who are seeking fame for the sake of fame... it just so happens that football has a lot of interest and so footballers are recognisable public figures. I'd say that most pro sportspeople set out to make a living from engaging in sport, rather than seeking fame / celebrity...

Also, celebrity isn't exactly something you choose. He isn't "going back to" being a celebrity. He is still a celebrity. Just (allegedly) a celebrity who raped someone. Rolf Harris is still a celebrity. Gary Glitter is still a celebrity. ... Jack the Ripper is a celebrity, of sorts.

Agree. People have said he shouldn't play again because he doesn't deserve to be watched by thousands of people every week, be featured on MOTD (not that he would as a L1 player at best but anyway) or have his face in the papers yet all those things are only really indirect consequences of being good at his job, its not being a celebrity for the sake of being a celebrity. Those arguments also sort of imply that it wouldn't matter so much if he wasn't in the papers, if he wasn't on TV, which is effectively saying it'd be ok for him to return to football if he was bad at it - and thus not in the public eye so much - but not if he's good at it.

Also agree with the second point. It's still unclear whether Evans will play again but he has still been plastered across the papers every day and stories are constantly being run on what he's been up to since his release and the various reactions to his story. True he might fade into obscurity gradually if he was never to play but celebrity status isn't something that can immediately be flicked off like a switch.

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not meaning to play devil's advocate here but... is it really his fault that his chosen career (professional football) carries celebrity status? It's not like, say, Big Brother celebs who are seeking fame for the sake of fame... it just so happens that football has a lot of interest and so footballers are recognisable public figures. I'd say that most pro sportspeople set out to make a living from engaging in sport, rather than seeking fame / celebrity...

Also, celebrity isn't exactly something you choose. He isn't "going back to" being a celebrity. He is still a celebrity. Just (allegedly) a celebrity who raped someone. Rolf Harris is still a celebrity. Gary Glitter is still a celebrity. ... Jack the Ripper is a celebrity, of sorts.

Yes but you don't see any of them still working in the main profession do you? I.e. As a TV presenter/musician etc

[bots]

A lot of people seem to have missed the point, by a long margin.

Firstly, it is not the guilty person that makes himself a celebrity, this is not under his personal control.

Secondly, someone who has served a prison sentence has done their time, and not acknowledging remorse is their human right of defense in not admitting to the crime in the first place. Perfectly acceptable human right.

Thirdly, the employer has the right to refuse employment on the grounds of the prospective employee having committed a criminal offense. The choice is theirs. If they choose to employ, then they accept the potential consequences.

Very simple really.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

A lot of people seem to have missed the point, by a long margin.

Firstly, it is not the guilty person that makes himself a celebrity, this is not under his personal control.

Secondly, someone who has served a prison sentence has done their time, and not acknowledging remorse is their human right of defense in not admitting to the crime in the first place. Perfectly acceptable human right.

Thirdly, the employer has the right to refuse employment on the grounds of the prospective employee having committed a criminal offense. The choice is theirs. If they choose to employ, then they accept the potential consequences.

Very simple really.

'It’s against the law to refuse someone a job because they’ve got a spent conviction or caution, unless it’s because a DBS check shows that they’re unsuitable.'

https://www.gov.uk/exoffenders-and-employment

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'It’s against the law to refuse someone a job because they’ve got a spent conviction or caution, unless it’s because a DBS check shows that they’re unsuitable.'

https://www.gov.uk/exoffenders-and-employment

If I understand that correctly they're only unable to turn down an ex con "if the conviction or caution is ‘spent’". It then only says a conviction will be 'spent' if the sentence was for 4 years or less, any more than that and it never will be. Evans' sentence was for 5 years so his conviction won't be 'spent' and employers would be free to turn him down for having a criminal record

Of course it wouldn't matter either way anyway considering Evans is currently a free agent so no team is obliged to take him on criminal record or not.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'It’s against the law to refuse someone a job because they’ve got a spent conviction or caution, unless it’s because a DBS check shows that they’re unsuitable.'

https://www.gov.uk/exoffenders-and-employment

It very much depends on the job, and the context of the offense, the employer always has the right of refusal, no matter the letter of the law

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not meaning to play devil's advocate here but... is it really his fault that his chosen career (professional football) carries celebrity status? It's not like, say, Big Brother celebs who are seeking fame for the sake of fame... it just so happens that football has a lot of interest and so footballers are recognisable public figures. I'd say that most pro sportspeople set out to make a living from engaging in sport, rather than seeking fame / celebrity...

Also, celebrity isn't exactly something you choose. He isn't "going back to" being a celebrity. He is still a celebrity. Just (allegedly) a celebrity who raped someone. Rolf Harris is still a celebrity. Gary Glitter is still a celebrity. ... Jack the Ripper is a celebrity, of sorts.

Jack the ripper is infamous rather than famous and that's specifically for being a criminal.
You only hold celebrity status whilst you are celebrated, once you are defamed as glitter/harris I don't feel they are a 'celebrity' in the real sense of the word merely an ex singer and presenter imo.