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Kazanne · 05-11-2014, 07:51 AM

My first reaction was what a vile bitch,but with this one I think it's the picture of him looking so happy,clean and healthy,and being the age he was he was,one half of me thinks she should rot in hell,but also what Livia said could have something to do with why,but I do agree,people are crying out for kids,no need to kill him so cruelly and also what Kizzy said about MS and autism being manageable is a factor,she had managed for 6 years, hard to find any sympathy for her, if she felt that bad she should have just thrown herself over.

bots · 05-11-2014, 08:16 AM

I have no sympathy for her at all, she simply decided to get rid of something that had become an annoyance to her, that's not acceptable no matter the circumstances.

kirklancaster · 05-11-2014, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I agree with this, it's hard to comment without knowing more of the story..it is hard to fathom how a mother could ever do something like this to her child but we don't know her mental health leading up to it or anything about her so I would be reluctant to condemn her...an extremely sad and tragic story....

I agree here Ammi.

It is totally incomprehensible to us how any mother could physically pick up her child and throw him from that bridge, but we are not her and have not walked in her shoes.

In am not condoning it, it is abhorrent, but she must have had a total mental and emotional breakdown, because this one tragic act would appear to 'fly-in-the-face' of all her previous known maternal behaviour concerning her child as far as we know currently.

Someone said that she should have put the child up for adoption if she knew she couldn't cope, but perhaps what was happening to her psychologically was on a subconscious level.

The brain is a billion times more complex than a computer, and is so finely balanced and fragile, that drugs and drink can alter the mind and lead to temporary 'insanity' (most irrational crimes are committed while under the influence of drink especially) so who knows what years of stress can do to a particular type of person; one who ignores it and stoically 'soldiers on', while all the time - on a subconscious level - the cumulative effects of such stress are building, silently eating away at her sanity, until some 'straw that breaks the camel's back' incident causes a totally sudden, devastating psychological melt-down?

Think about your laptop- it has got a virus. Most of us who switch it on one morning to find it 'acting up' even slightly, will run a scan and try to find out what's wrong. Yet there are some who will ignore it and keep using the laptop. The 'problems' may get worse over time, but still that person continues to ignore it and use the laptop. All the time that this machine is functioning, inside its very complex 'brain' the virus is growing, corrupting, until one day, the machine goes totally beserk.

We don't know, but what I do know; assuming that this woman was a previously caring mother, and assuming this was a breakdown, then she will live the rest of her life wracked by inconsolable grief and unbearable guilt.

If she was a callous murdering bitch, then I doubt for one moment whether one gram of remorse will trouble her.

I'll wait and see.

Livia · 05-11-2014, 11:25 AM

If she was a callous, murdering bitch then I doubt she'd have cared for the child for four years and started a campaign to help him. Nor would she have been bothered with a partner with MS - which contrary to an earlier post, is not a totally manageable condition, but one which means your body slowly deteriorates and you become more immobile and less independent as time goes on. I doubt we're going to hear she was a monster, but that she was mentally ill and under pressure no one on here really understands from reading one article and making up their minds.

user104658 · 05-11-2014, 11:34 AM

The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".

Cherie · 05-11-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".

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Redway · 05-11-2014, 12:35 PM

I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.

arista · 05-11-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.

yes could be

T* · 05-11-2014, 02:47 PM

Throw her off the bridge, Poor excuse of a human being.

jackc1806 · 05-11-2014, 02:58 PM

Always annoys me when people say they want to kill killers because then you are just as bad and offering the killer a relatively easy way out... How can you take the moral high ground after killing someone yourself?

Anyway, obviously a sad and tragic event. The mother is obviously very wrong and what she did was awful and has ended in tragic circumstances. She needs mental help, furthermore the government should be doing more for people who are made to feel this way

Mystic Mock · 05-11-2014, 06:31 PM

Well people can take the moral high ground because they're not killing innocent people?

Mystic Mock · 05-11-2014, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.

I brought her looks into it to try and lighten up the mood, plus I'm just a bitch.:smile:

Tom4784 · 05-11-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Well people can take the moral high ground because they're not killing innocent people?

A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

Mystic Mock · 05-11-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

I'm not saying not to punish vigilantes in terms of the law can't be seen to reward any type of murderer.

But anyone trying to claim that vigilantes are morally just as evil as a serial killer is seriously insane as at least vigilantes are thinking from a decent place, normal murderers kill for the most ridiculous of reasons most of the time.

user104658 · 05-11-2014, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

I'm not sure I agree that a killer is just a killer, it would depend on the reason, for example if someone was trying to kill me (or even someone else) and the only way I could stop them was to bash their head with a brick... I wouldn't really have any problem in doing so. But that's different to a "revenge kill", I suppose.

That said, if someone killed one of my loved ones, I can't really say that I'm morally above revenge killing, either. Although I wouldn't attempt to take any sort of moral high ground. I just wouldn't care.

Tom4784 · 05-11-2014, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not sure I agree that a killer is just a killer, it would depend on the reason, for example if someone was trying to kill me (or even someone else) and the only way I could stop them was to bash their head with a brick... I wouldn't really have any problem in doing so. But that's different to a "revenge kill", I suppose.

That said, if someone killed one of my loved ones, I can't really say that I'm morally above revenge killing, either. Although I wouldn't attempt to take any sort of moral high ground. I just wouldn't care.

Self defense or the defense of another is justifiable, revenge killing and it's ilk isn't. I think it's an insult to the victim because it's killing someone in their name. Even if a loved one of mine was killed I'd never think of killing the person who did it because if, I was ever murdered, I would not want someone I love to throw their life away on a selfish need for revenge and I would like to think that other people think like that too.

Kizzy · 05-11-2014, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Strange case this, according to the article she started a fundraising FB page just days earlier, maybe she did snap, it's a pretty awful way to kill someone you love though. Similar to the case of the women who killed her 3 children a few months back in the UK, she is not being charged with their murder.

I was looking for this thread as it was similar iirc, but I don't remember the outpouring of sympathy tbh.

Ammi · 06-11-2014, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".

..I totally agree with this TS..I don't know how it is in the USA but I know that sadly it is very lacking here ..and I've always liked to think that there is help and support there for people in crisis/families in crisis but there really quite often isn't and 'signs' aren't being recognised when coping abilities are lost...this is why I think I couldn't say whether this act was 'evil' or not without knowing more ..because to dismiss it as such would to me be to dismiss a huge issue that may be very real and effect many others....

Ammi · 06-11-2014, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Self defense or the defense of another is justifiable, revenge killing and it's ilk isn't. I think it's an insult to the victim because it's killing someone in their name. Even if a loved one of mine was killed I'd never think of killing the person who did it because if, I was ever murdered, I would not want someone I love to throw their life away on a selfish need for revenge and I would like to think that other people think like that too.

..I agree with you for the reasons you've said Dezzy but also because ..imagining how I would feel if that happened to a member of my family/the impact/sadness/pain of it..?...why would I even consider inflicting the same on the family of the attacker/killer because they are complete innocents..why would I put another parent through that...how could that ever be justified or have any 'satisfaction or justice' whatsoever....it would only double the pain...

AnnieK · 06-11-2014, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was looking for this thread as it was similar iirc, but I don't remember the outpouring of sympathy tbh.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=249229

Vicky. · 06-11-2014, 07:52 AM

Evil bitch.

Everyone gets frustrated with their kids, it takes a certain kind of person to even consider doing something like this. As a mother I cant even begin to imagine.