[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This is weird.As i read this post Terry Wogan just said on telly "many a true word spoken in jest",For real.

dont get him on about synchronisity

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This is weird.As i read this post Terry Wogan just said on telly "many a true word spoken in jest",For real.

Synchronicity - another thing LT won't accept even if faced by 10,000 cases of hard evidence from people on here or anywhere for that matter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Synchronicity - another thing LT won't accept even if faced by 10,000 cases of hard evidence from people on here or anywhere for that matter.

10,000 cases?

2 people on Tibb have had a coincidence in about a month

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus would be proud of you both

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jesus would be proud of you both

Who?

[Niamh.]

[Dollface]

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

My mum thought she had a mouse in her shed for a week once and would not go into it - when i got there it turned out to be an old banana. She was truly convinced it was a mouse.

I believe she thought she did too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My mum thought she had a mouse in her shed for a week once and would not go into it - when i got there it turned out to be an old banana. She was truly convinced it was a mouse.

I believe she thought she did too.

That's a lovely story, Trumpet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's a lovely story, Trumpet.

Its a true one, when i picked up the banana she nearly had a fit and ran into the house

naturally i ran after here making squeaking noises

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a true one, when i picked up the banana she nearly had a fit and ran into the house

naturally i ran after here making squeaking noises

I believe you. In fact, I'd have been a little disappointed if you hadn't...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his last words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his law words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

This I agree with

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This I agree with

Dream team back on track x

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dream team back on track x

Indeed

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his last words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

Exactly!

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his last words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

That sounds like a crock to me, with respect.

Anecdotal at best

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That sounds like a crock to me, with respect.

Anecdotal at best

Why is it that anybody who posts anything which doesn't fit in with your view of things is talking a 'crock'?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

A good post.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

There are 1000's of well documented examples of this including 100's of cases of those surviving 'Near Death' experiences. I'm not trying to convert anybody but all this from people who have no reason to lie (and who swear they were not deluded or having hallucinations) I take to bolster my own faith. If others want to perceive some psychological tricks that the brain plays at such times then that's fine.

I would turn the atheist's favourite question around on them though, and ask, why then doesn't the brain play the same psychological tricks on everyone who is dying or who has 'Near Death' experiences?

Additionally, why do so many rational people - even lifelong atheists - who have these 'visions' insist on what they have seen and maintain that it was God or Jesus?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

Aw that is lovely, imo "strange" things happen before crossover If we discovered more we would know that they arent strange, just a change of lifestyle.

[AnnieK]

Due to personal circumstances at the moment, this is something I have been talking a lot about and whether when you die that's it but the simple fact is no-one is ever going to know....simple. Whatever your personal beliefs if something helps you as your near the end of your life then that can only be a good thing.....

[JoshBB]

If said religious experience did exist, why does Jesus/God choose not to show himself to everyone to prove his existence? It seems illogical.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

If said religious experience did exist, why does Jesus/God choose not to show himself to everyone to prove his existence? It seems illogical.

Because you have to have faith. I have faith... I can't explain what it is to you, and if you don't have it you wouldn't understand it if I could explain.