[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Shaun

So what? Give up trying because humanity is inherently awful?

Give up trying what? (you've lost me lol... not that it's hard to do that)

All I'm saying is that I think this whole 'avoid usuing genders with toys because insults' thing is stupid.

Children will be called names no matter what.

I think it's time that we stop trying to change society, and try to change ourselves.

Teach your children that names are just names. They mean nothing. Teach them from a young age that people are always going to be horrible.

This is all just my opinion of course...

But what I've come to realise over the past 5 years or so, ever since being bullied, since dealing with a suicidal member of the family at home and so on, is that only you can control how you feel. Not anyone else. Don't let someone else's idea of how they see something, affect you.

The sooner people learn to think like this, the happier they will be.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thing is some tesco goon in a suit will choose which toys go into boys and which to girls!

But Amazon do this too

Actually - you're right LT, they probably will, which makes a nonsense of it all anyway.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It's madness. The lunatics have taken over the asylum - What P.C. bollocks next? No 'Male' and 'Female' signs on public toilets?



'Y Fronts and Jockeys actually mixed in with the knickers in shops underwear sections?



Madness.

That's completely different. The point is, there is no good reason for toys to have labels printed on them saying they're for one gender or the other, if you could give me one then I'd be very interested in hearing it? Is it a huge deal? No, not really. Are there much bigger issues in the world? Absolutely. I'm just saying its pretty unnecessary in this day and age to have a note printed on a toy to say its just for a boy or a girl

[Marc]

That little girl is a ****

[swinearefine]

holy ****ing **** @ anyone supporting this blatant sexism and ignorance of gender. The world is not divided into boys and girls - there is a multitude of ways one expresses gender, be that cisgender or transgender or agender or bigender or whatever. So this by nature excludes anyone who is non-cisgender (conforming to the gender one is assigned) and also arbitrarily decides what is fit for the boys and girls within this gender binary. Genderqueer youth and any cisgender children who just want to ****ing play with something not deemed typical for their gender are hurt by labeling toys like this, that's the point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thing is I want to go to Amazon and ask what is the best selling girls toy for an 8 year old, or boys toy for a 10 year old but they do it only by age

this is from page one of Toys & Games : 5 to 8 years

Creativity for Kids Fashion Headbands Kit
Mould & Paint Glitter Fairy Plaster Kit
Monster High Freaky Fusion Lagoonafire Doll
LEGO Friends 41058: Heartlake Shopping Mall
Play-Doh DohVinci Style and Store Vanity Complete Design Kit
Girl Tech Password Journal 8
Galt First Knitting

LEGO City 60051: High-Speed Passenger Train
Teksta T-Rex

But if you are buying the first six for a boy then you are seriously fked up

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thing is I want to go to Amazon and ask what is the best selling girls toy for an 8 year old, or boys toy for a 10 year old but they do it only by age

this is from page one of Toys & Games : 5 to 8 years

Creativity for Kids Fashion Headbands Kit
Mould & Paint Glitter Fairy Plaster Kit
Monster High Freaky Fusion Lagoonafire Doll
LEGO Friends 41058: Heartlake Shopping Mall
Play-Doh DohVinci Style and Store Vanity Complete Design Kit
Girl Tech Password Journal 8
Galt First Knitting

LEGO City 60051: High-Speed Passenger Train
Teksta T-Rex

But if you are buying the first six for a boy then you are seriously fked up

assuming a boy wouldn't want them, which you don't know. I would have adored the password journal and lego shopping mall <3

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

holy ****ing **** @ anyone supporting this blatant sexism and ignorance of gender. The world is not divided into boys and girls - there is a multitude of ways one expresses gender, be that cisgender or transgender or agender or bigender or whatever. So this by nature excludes anyone who is non-cisgender (conforming to the gender one is assigned) and also arbitrarily decides what is fit for the boys and girls within this gender binary. Genderqueer youth and any cisgender children who just want to ****ing play with something not deemed typical for their gender are hurt by labeling toys like this, that's the point.

Do these other genders get offended by toilets labelled male and female?

We'll have public toilet blocks taking up all the space in city centres making room for every label someone takes a shine to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

assuming a boy wouldn't want them, which you don't know. I would have adored the password journal and lego shopping mall <3

we need men to defend the country not go shopping for crop tops and superdry garbage

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we need men to defend the country not go shopping for crop tops and superdry garbage

Beat the puff out of them!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Beat the puff out of them!

not beat

drill it out of them

National Service

identify
humiliate
jail


These are sensible policies that Ukip could adopt

[Dollface]

I think every kid should play with whatever toys they want to play with (my favourite toy as a child was clearly a boys toy and I loved it), but people saying that certain toys shouldn't have a gender associated with them are just kidding themselves


regardless of whether or not boys play with Barbie ^ she is still a girls toy imo & would be in the girls section of a toy shop

[Crimson Dynamo]

if your boy child has a barbie then its time to worry

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if your boy child has a barbie then its time to worry

He might be using it to practise his "moves".

[MTVN]

Hmm I don't really see a problem with this tbh. Things will always be vaguely categorised and marketed more to one gender than another, for convenience if nothing else. Personally I think something like this: http://www.johnlewis.com/ideas-for-b...toys/c60000990 is just quite a useful way of narrowing a massive range of items down to a few things that your typical young boy might like. Obviously its not a black and white thing where all boys are only going to like one set of toys and all girls are only going to like a different set, but it is fairly easy to make very general categorisations.

In the same way you'll get a lot of places offering 'gifts for Dads' with typical things like beer glasses, golf memorabilia, football items etc. Obviously not all Dads will want these items and not all the people who want the items will be Dads. My Mum is actually way more into sport than my Dad so among sport merchandise typically targeted at Dads I'd be more likely to find a gift for my Mum. But again they are very general categorisations, its basic marketing practices not an attempt to enforce a binary segregation of genders.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hmm I don't really see a problem with this tbh. Things will always be vaguely categorised and marketed more to one gender than another, for convenience if nothing else. Personally I think something like this: http://www.johnlewis.com/ideas-for-b...toys/c60000990 is just quite a useful way of narrowing a massive range of items down to a few things that your typical young boy might like. Obviously its not a black and white thing where all boys are only going to like one set of toys and all girls are only going to like a different set, but it is fairly easy to make very general categorisations.

In the same way you'll get a lot of places offering 'gifts for Dads' with typical things like beer glasses, golf memorabilia, football items etc. Obviously not all Dads will want these items and not all the people who want the items will be Dads. My Mum is actually way more into sport than my Dad so among sport merchandise typically targeted at Dads I'd be more likely to find a gift for my Mum. But again they are very general categorisations, its basic marketing practices not an attempt to enforce a binary segregation of genders.

People are way too sensitive nowadays. It's seriously getting ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

He might be using it to practise his "moves".

that is serial killer territory


was that "he" more like a young Morsh??






you monster

[Marsh.]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hmm I don't really see a problem with this tbh. Things will always be vaguely categorised and marketed more to one gender than another, for convenience if nothing else. Personally I think something like this: http://www.johnlewis.com/ideas-for-b...toys/c60000990 is just quite a useful way of narrowing a massive range of items down to a few things that your typical young boy might like. Obviously its not a black and white thing where all boys are only going to like one set of toys and all girls are only going to like a different set, but it is fairly easy to make very general categorisations.

In the same way you'll get a lot of places offering 'gifts for Dads' with typical things like beer glasses, golf memorabilia, football items etc. Obviously not all Dads will want these items and not all the people who want the items will be Dads. My Mum is actually way more into sport than my Dad so among sport merchandise typically targeted at Dads I'd be more likely to find a gift for my Mum. But again they are very general categorisations, its basic marketing practices not an attempt to enforce a binary segregation of genders.

lol, thank you for putting what i said into smarts!

i wish i could speak better, but yeah, i agree with you 100%

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

holy ****ing **** @ anyone supporting this blatant sexism and ignorance of gender. The world is not divided into boys and girls - there is a multitude of ways one expresses gender, be that cisgender or transgender or agender or bigender or whatever. So this by nature excludes anyone who is non-cisgender (conforming to the gender one is assigned) and also arbitrarily decides what is fit for the boys and girls within this gender binary. Genderqueer youth and any cisgender children who just want to ****ing play with something not deemed typical for their gender are hurt by labeling toys like this, that's the point.

? I'm baffled as to what you're saying, and mystified why you're apparently so irate.

And I don't buy that any normal kid is 'hurt' by labelling toys, because I don't believe that the average kid gives a hoot what a label says if he/she wants to play with a certain toy. I also doubt that any kid is going to suffer deep psychological trauma, or feel sexually degraded or inadequate just because a toy is labelled gender specific.

I'm not even concerned whether they abandon labelling toys for Girls or Boys or Inbetweenies, or not - I'm annoyed at the B.S. reasons they're doing it.

Probably the same nutjobs who proposed abandoning names like Manchester in favour of Non-Gender Specific-Chester.

It's pure madness and also Much Ado About Nothing - in my opinion.

[T*]

It's just giving you an idea of what to get a young boy; It's not saying THIS IS ONLY FOR BOYS IF A GIRL TOUCHES THIS SHE WILL DIE like some of you are making it out to be like
MTVN makes an extremely good point

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hmm I don't really see a problem with this tbh. Things will always be vaguely categorised and marketed more to one gender than another, for convenience if nothing else. Personally I think something like this: http://www.johnlewis.com/ideas-for-b...toys/c60000990 is just quite a useful way of narrowing a massive range of items down to a few things that your typical young boy might like. Obviously its not a black and white thing where all boys are only going to like one set of toys and all girls are only going to like a different set, but it is fairly easy to make very general categorisations.

In the same way you'll get a lot of places offering 'gifts for Dads' with typical things like beer glasses, golf memorabilia, football items etc. Obviously not all Dads will want these items and not all the people who want the items will be Dads. My Mum is actually way more into sport than my Dad so among sport merchandise typically targeted at Dads I'd be more likely to find a gift for my Mum. But again they are very general categorisations, its basic marketing practices not an attempt to enforce a binary segregation of genders.

A cracking post MT

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

A cracking post MT

Would that be a female crack or a male crack?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Tom!

It's just giving you an idea of what to get a young boy; It's not saying THIS IS ONLY FOR BOYS IF A GIRL TOUCHES THIS SHE WILL DIE like some of you are making it out to be like
MTVN makes an extremely good point