[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

idc: The "Christians" hijacked this festival (Saturnalia) from the Romans from the 4th C to try and take the pagan masses with them so Christmas is not really about baby J and his fake birthday...

What do you think?

Yes you're almost right. The 25th of December was a Pagan festival (and still is to Pagans) but saying that "Christmas is not really about baby J and his fake birthday" is complete idiocy.

Christmas means 'Christ's' 'Mass' or 'Mass or Festival of Christ' .

There is no getting away from this - that is the true origin and literal meaning of the word Christmas.

The fact that the newly converted Roman emperor Constantine chose December 25th as Christmas day does not alter the fact that Christmas is all about celebrating Christ's birthday.

Constantine wanted to convert all his subjects to Christianity, and what better way to do it than place the official day to celebrate Christ, on a day on which which most of his subjects already celebrated their - soon to be outlawed - existing 'religion' .

It's far easier to make horses drink a different type of water if you merely replace that in their usual trough, rather than trying to totally educate them to use another trough in a different location.

This fact however, does not mean that Christmas has nothing to do with Christ's 'birthday' - it is all to do with it. A false date, or Pagan day or not.

What's more - and you can mock - this latest idiocy is far more than than being merely offensive to all Christians -- it is yet more 'baby steps', almost imperceptible, covert destruction of our Western Democratic way of life by deep rooted, long ensconced Islamic 'Fifth Columnists' who have permeated into just about every position of real power in this country since the 1960's.

Laugh away - and perhaps we'll debate how comical my contention is on another thread.