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Originally Posted by the truth

you need more regulation and more scrutiny of nhs boards and the hospitals...you also need to seriously strengthen the powers of the ombudsmen and recruit more staff. the regulations themselves need to focus on the patients 100% and not the staff. the patients are what matters most. this message has been lost, hence why thousands have died from neglect at the hands of disgusting sub standard staff at our supposedly great british hospitals. this ALL happened under new labour. they should never ever be trusted again

there have never ever been diasters as big as that under any other government. worse still though labour actively sought to cover it all up. new labour didnt care about the lives lost, the stinking corruption, all they did was cover it up ignore it because they darent upset the nhs or nursing unions....votes and power meant more to them than lives. the uber liberal bbc barely even touched on these disgusting state of british hospitals and these monstrous scandals until years later and thousands more were dead. thousands actually died of thirst in our hopsitals, 25000 a year died from blood clots they picked up in british hospitals that were left undiagnosed, our hospitals were 70 times dirtier than scandinavian hospitals and mrsa was rife. new labour fiddled while the hospitals burned. im more than aware what maggie thatcher did to the uk and destroying manbufacturing. however new labour had ample time to overturn any of her policies and bring back the industrial strength and guess what they did nothing.

in 13 years they did what? destroyed our culture, sold us out to europe, created 1000s of new stupid laws, ruined our civil liberties, destroyed freedom of speech, destroyed families, created an entire generation of 10 million on welfare dependancy (attracting more easy long term voters for new labour) , deregulation of the banks and taking power from the bank of england, world record public and private debts, complete collapse of the housing market, failure to build social housing, illegal wars which saw over 1 million innocents killed, endless vanity projects costing tax payers 100s of millions like the dome, employing crooks in government, in bed with the tabloids , up to their eyeballs in spin bribes and backhanders, spindoctors running the cabinet, increased population of 8 million in less than 20 years due mainly to open door immigration policy with virtually no points system, unlike almost every other western country?....the list goes on and on..........end result....highest drug rates in europe, some of the highest violent crime per head in europe, virtual bankruptcy, teen pregnancies at all time high, enormous debts, 3 recessions, housing collapse etc etc the list of disasters goes on and on.........they achieved NOTHING

I have dealt with your NHS issues in a previous post however, I accept and understand and sympathise too that you have had very bad experiences with the NHS and the staff in it too,which you have outlined in posts in the past.
That should not be the case and so I understand your anger when things go wrong and are covered up or not dealt with.

However it is also a fact that for every one thing that goes wrong or is done wrong in the NHS, hundreds of things are done right are are right.

What I have to take you up on is the selling us out to Europe by Labour.
Not so.
The Conservative party,without any referendum, in 1973 took us into the Common Market of Europe.
They then ensured we moved closer and closer into Europe as it evolved especially in the early 80s when Tony Benn was considered a madman for opposing Europe and closer ties with same.

The biggest sell out to the EU was the Maastricht treaty,signed by John Major in the 90s and also had the ERM been a success rather than a massive failure when we went into that under same Conservative govt. then we would have had the Euro now too more than probably.

Despite the warnings from the Conservative opposition,of William Hague in 2001 and Michael Howard in 2005 as to us joining the Euro under Labour.
While Tony Blair would have possibly relished doing so, the then Chancellor Gordon Brown refused to support going into the Euro at all and no way were we then going to under Labour.

So if any party overall and in the main has sold the UK out to the EU and also never ever holding a referendum on any of its decisions as to the EU, well that is the Conservative party, not the Labour party.
Also had Labour won the 1983 election,then we likely would not still be in the EU now,it was the Conservative party that moved with the evolving of the EU right up to it leaving power in 1997.