[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

I don't see anyone saying she was to blame but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk and bb probably should be rationing the alcohol. I find it quite disturbing that someone can make a drunken pass to a girl who was flexing her breasts just hours before and half the forum is crying rape. She is not a wilting violet virgin victim. Drunken pass. Perspective.

Please tell me we do still live in a world where someone can make a drunken pass and be told no without being practically convicted for rape?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

Im sickened by the claims that Jeremy is a Perv and would of Raped her

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

One question that I would like to ask you Rionablue, what was the difference between what Jeremy did to what Denise did to one of the Shannon Twins? It's reverse sexism as nobody was calling for Denise to be removed and in fact voted for her to win.

I couldn't stand Denise and wanted he bitch out of there. I do think there is a lot of reverse sexism yes but unfortunately I am not BB and cant remove EITHER sex for doing something offensive. I am just talking about the Chloe situation.

[Kizzy]

Ken makes my flesh crawl, I hope he goes soon.
I thought the way jeremy was treated afterwards a bit OTT, I'm gad he's gone though he wasn't mentally capable from what I saw.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

Who has said it's Chloes fault?

[poppsywoppsy]

I also challenge the black and white connotations. When inappropriate comments means " he is a pervert" and a drunken fumble or pass means "rapist"

How I look at it is, we should behave and dress appropriately when in company. Do and dress how you will when in your own space and choice of company.

When I mention an elbow or knee used to stop any unwanted attention, it was then mentioned as "assault" which in black and white terms it could but there are many different shades of grey intention or actions between.

BB are obviously walking the black and white line because of previous complaints and criticisms from authorities, so it is understandable they react this way.

If every drunken fumble was viewed as rape, our prisons would be full to overflowing, an immediate verbal reaction was usually enough to repel these fools but I felt with all the lechers in the soft porn industry Chloe works in, should have prepared her for these approaches and given her the ammunition (verbally) to render them impotent.

[rusticgal]

He made a bad error of judgement. He didn't grope her he had a peek...he should not have done it. IF he groped her then that would have been assault and I got the impression that that's what he did, but I now think that it was a peek.
You must be of a certain character to make a living as a topless model etc... I am sure she gets plenty of attention in that area so you would think she could handle that sort of attention by now. If he had a peek then she should just have smacked his hand and told him it was inappropriate...and left as she did. These girls don't mind flaunting their bits when it suits them.... Cami exposing an intimate tattoo 2 days ago!!!...and they are both flirting big time.
Maybe he did touch her inappropriately...in which case I understood her reaction completely because that's unacceptable.
It's a fine line but I think he wasn't in the right state of mind to be in the house in the first place...so his removal was correct.
If as a topless model she got so distressed at someone having a peek...then her behaviour in the house will now be judged on what she wears and how she behaves.

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, I fairly much agree with the bolded bit, he's just someone who is in a very bad place and I question that he should have ever been allowed in the house which is fairly much what Perez said from the beginning but it doesn't change what he did or how vulnerable and upset that made Chloe feel..I do think that removing him was the only thing they could do and I hope that he gets some help to get to a much better place...

...great to see you Pinkpegasus....I always love reading your thoughts...

Thanks Ammi, great to read your posts too.

[coffee]

Honestly, I can't believe that there are women on here who think this is Chloes fault.
I cried when it happened, it actually effected me a lot because I am ****ing sick that things like this still happen!
Drunk or not. If you haven't been invited to touch a woman. Her hair, her clothes, then don't! Don't even lean in and sniff a woman without invitation because it's all creepy AF!

Members on here who say Chloe is at fault then I feel sorry for you. You have obviously been brought up very badly.

[Niamh.]

Well said coffee

[WyldeFyre]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well said coffee

Agree entirely

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by coffee

Honestly, I can't believe that there are women on here who think this is Chloes fault.
I cried when it happened, it actually effected me a lot because I am ****ing sick that things like this still happen!
Drunk or not. If you haven't been invited to touch a woman. Her hair, her clothes, then don't! Don't even lean in and sniff a woman without invitation because it's all creepy AF!

Members on here who say Chloe is at fault then I feel sorry for you. You have obviously been brought up very badly.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by jaxie

but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk

why not?

[puzzled]

Of course what happened wasn't Chloe's fault. It's certainly possible that his grabbing her robe scared the bejeezus out of her, because she didn't know he'd stop. So I can see her leaving the bog in tears, but good grief, the endless caterwauling and heaving and going from room to room was really too much. Still, it's a reality show, and there's nothing wrong with making hay while the sun shines. As for Jeremy, it was a really stupid drunken blunder, but he's not the devil incarnate. The real villain of the piece, IMO, was Perez, trying to grab the spotlight and act the victim, carrying on as though HE'd been wronged. Disgusting. Jeremy deserved to go, though.

[coffee]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Of course what happened wasn't Chloe's fault. It's certainly possible that his grabbing her robe scared the bejeezus out of her, because she didn't know he'd stop. So I can see her leaving the bog in tears, but good grief, the endless caterwauling and heaving and going from room to room was really too much. Still, it's a reality show, and there's nothing wrong with making hay while the sun shines. As for Jeremy, it was a really stupid drunken blunder, but he's not the devil incarnate. The real villain of the piece, IMO, was Perez, trying to grab the spotlight and act the victim, carrying on as though HE'd been wronged. Disgusting. Jeremy deserved to go, though.

Honestly, no.
Perez isn't worse than Jeremy. He is annoying AF and a huge attention seeker but it wasn't him who opened a womans robe revealing her breast.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, I fairly much agree with the bolded bit, he's just someone who is in a very bad place and I question that he should have ever been allowed in the house which is fairly much what Perez said from the beginning but it doesn't change what he did or how vulnerable and upset that made Chloe feel..I do think that removing him was the only thing they could do and I hope that he gets some help to get to a much better place...

I agree with that - from the minute he stepped on stage he seemed slightly manic in a way that suggested he was trying to hide a lot of stress / anxiety and I don't think he should have gone into the house in the first place. If it weren't for that, I don't particularly think that what he did warranted any sort of punishment - other than a warning for getting so drunk, an admission that what he did was wrong and a grovelling apology. However, I think under the circumstances (the way he seemed even before getting drunk) the only real choice was to remove him from the house. For his own sake, more than anyone else's.

[puzzled]

Jeremy was legless, Chloe was shocked, Perez was calculating. Yes, Perez, villain.

[wendywillow]

I don't see anyone saying she was to blame but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk and bb probably should be rationing the alcohol.

careful what you wish for. bbus barely gives them a half a glass of beer and its boring as sin in there. it was a a sloppy pass, a mistake, he paid for it

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

why not?

Well for one thing, and quite importantly, he was in the toilet and was entitled to some privacy. For another its not specially bright to be alone in a confined space with someone so drunk they are throwing up.

[Macie Lightfoot]

k.

[coffee]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well for one thing, and quite importantly, he was in the toilet and was entitled to some privacy. For another its not specially bright to be alone in a confined space with someone so drunk they are throwing up.

LOL!
Just because you are drunk does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Just because you are alone in a room with someone does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Simple.

Did he ask her to leave? No, he didn't. He obviously was enjoying her there since he tried to take her clothes off.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think my attitude is sensible, measured and not melodramatic. As I said what he did was inappropriate but did he commit a crime? Hardly. It about perspective. If that sickens anyone on the forum I'm not coming in the toilet while you vom either!

I am inclined to agree with you Jaxie, I think he should have been left to his own devices with others outside just there in case he asked for help. I believe he has had a drink problem before so it wouldnt have been the first time it had happened. Imo we have to remember that the majority are viing for camera attention also trying to prove themselves as the caring and sharing person. Nothing against Chloe but she is up for eviction.

Ok it is a game but the result was very unfortunate and I do not think that Jeremy should have been put out of the house. As he sobered up he would most likely have apologised and shown his remorse but he didnt really have the chance to do so. Now it wont be forgotten, much worse has happened in the house before.

I was more disgusted with Ken and his actions, I think he should go on Tuesday so I hope that the public wont keep him in. I am voting for Alex myself as he fascinates me and I would like to see more of him.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Jules2

I am inclined to agree with you Jaxie, I think he should have been left to his own devices with others outside just there in case he asked for help. I believe he has had a drink problem before so it wouldnt have been the first time it had happened. Imo we have to remember that the majority are viing for camera attention also trying to prove themselves as the caring and sharing person. Nothing against Chloe but she is up for eviction.

Ok it is a game but the result was very unfortunate and I do not think that Jeremy should have been put out of the house. As he sobered up he would most likely have apologised and shown his remorse but he didnt really have the chance to do so. Now it wont be forgotten, much worse has happened in the house before.

I was more disgusted with Ken and his actions, I think he should go on Tuesday so I hope that the public wont keep him in. I am voting for Alex myself as he fascinates me and I would like to see more of him.

Again my question? If it was a relative of yours that a stranger did this to. Would you be so forgiving?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by coffee

LOL!
Just because you are drunk does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Just because you are alone in a room with someone does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Simple.

Did he ask her to leave? No, he didn't. He obviously was enjoying her there since he tried to take her clothes off.

Sorry, who was raped or perverted? I must have missed that.

[coffee]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Sorry, who was raped or perverted? I must have missed that.

Who said anyone was raped? Hmm
But Jeremy was a rapey pervert AKA acting rapey and pervey.