[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Certainly a very scary situation.

I can see why Russia wants to protect its assets in Crimea but to send its troops out of its bases in Crimea and annex the area was an aggressive move,They could have just took a defensive position at their bases not take over airports,Ukrainian military bases,Government buildings and force Crimea into an illegal election in which there was only one choice as to who to vote.Pure bully tactics.

Then menacingley amassing 40,000 Russian troops onto the Eastern border and instigating an uprising and civil war in Eastern Ukraine whilst sending advanced anti aircraft launchers,guns and other military hardware to the 'rebels' and Putin blatently lying about it.

Making so called peace deals with the Ukrainian government while at the very same time arming the oposition and covertly sending Russian troops in to fight.

The problem is that Putin will not listen and something will eventually have to be done about it.If the west leave Russia to do what it wants in Ukraine then who knows where he will stop.Poland?Latvia?

Russia need to be stopped somehow,Hopefully with sanctions and talks but Putin is as stubborn as a mule and i can't see him backing down.

It actually amazes me how people can make posts which include the phrase "Russia needs to be stopped".....???

Stopped from what, protecting their borders against a relentless aggressive eastwards moving NATO perhaps .

Russia has been forced to respond to the events of the past 18 months whilst being painted as the aggressor.

It is not , it is actually quite a peaceful Country, a wartime longstanding ally without who's help would have resulted in Britain losing both first and second world wars.

No the only aggressive, warmongering country I can see at the moment is the one that allegedly purports to stand for freedom and democracy.

Freedom and democracy as long as you do what we say and use our currency.

This is the country that is only 200 years old and has been involved in 10 major wars. The country that spends billions attacking and bombing countries in order to save them. This is the pariah state not Russia.

People need to wake up and take their blinkers off and insist their govt stop giving unconditional support to this playground bully.




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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It actually amazes me how people can make posts which include the phrase "Russia needs to be stopped".....???

Stopped from what, protecting their borders against a relentless aggressive eastwards moving NATO perhaps .

Russia has been forced to respond to the events of the past 18 months whilst being painted as the aggressor.

It is not , it is actually quite a peaceful Country, a wartime longstanding ally without who's help would have resulted in Britain losing both first and second world wars.

No the only aggressive, warmongering country I can see at the moment is the one that allegedly purports to stand for freedom and democracy.

Freedom and democracy as long as you do what we say and use our currency.

This is the country that is only 200 years old and has been involved in 10 major wars. The country that spends billions attacking and bombing countries in order to save them. This is the pariah state not Russia.

People need to wake up and take their blinkers off and insist their govt stop giving unconditional support to this playground bully.




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I have a genuine question Nedusa - not intended to be inflammatory... but, if you can see and are aware of all of this re: the US of A (and I'm not saying you're wrong) then I find it difficult to understand your stance when it comes to extremism / terrorism. It is ALL tied into exactly this warmongering that you're talking about here. Not just as a distraction technique, but the Gulf has always involved US / Russian tensions somewhere in the mix, these two juggernauts going at it with the Middle East sandwiched in the middle played a HUGE role in destabilizing the region and in allowing terrorist organizations to grow (not to mention, arming them). It's also a huge contributing factor in the angry "anti-west" sentiment that is used to twist young minds and create terrorists. But you never mention any of these issues - the huge, global issues that have been caused or at least hugely aggravated by a power-hungry United States - when posting in the various ISIS / terrorism threads. I'm just wondering why that is? Do you just genuinely keep the two issues separate?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have a genuine question Nedusa - not intended to be inflammatory... but, if you can see and are aware of all of this re: the US of A (and I'm not saying you're wrong) then I find it difficult to understand your stance when it comes to extremism / terrorism. It is ALL tied into exactly this warmongering that you're talking about here. Not just as a distraction technique, but the Gulf has always involved US / Russian tensions somewhere in the mix, these two juggernauts going at it with the Middle East sandwiched in the middle played a HUGE role in destabilizing the region and in allowing terrorist organizations to grow (not to mention, arming them). It's also a huge contributing factor in the angry "anti-west" sentiment that is used to twist young minds and create terrorists. But you never mention any of these issues - the huge, global issues that have been caused or at least hugely aggravated by a power-hungry United States - when posting in the various ISIS / terrorism threads. I'm just wondering why that is? Do you just genuinely keep the two issues separate?

I actually do T.S because to try and intertwine these would produce so many grey areas that trying to debate them in forums like these would become virtually impossible.

I appreciate geopolitics and terrorism are connected but we are not really privy to what really goes on behind the scenes.

But coming back to this situation with Ukraine I honestly believe the US and Russia should stand together when fighting this extremist Muslim terrorist threat, not one trying desperately to start a new Cold War with the other.

Really hope the US backs off and Russia removes all it's troops/weapons from Ukraine also.


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[DemolitionRed]

The Crimea has been part of the Ukraine since 1954 but like the rest of the Ukraine and all the countries bordering Russian territory, it strongly depends on Russia for gas (amongst other things), Russia is known as a petro-state and the Ukraine is its lapdog.

In more recent years the Ukraine has been trying to break away from that dependency by building their own gas terminals for both themselves and with the intention of selling that gas to a viable market. Russia was, for obvious reasons, not prepared to lend money on this project but the US and the EU were. The Ukraine is a big country and its stability does affect the stability of Euope as a whole. Free trade agreement insured that countries stability and up until early last year the Ukraine believed they were heading towards that much needed signature.

Why do we want to get into a proxy war with Russia? the answer is, we don't, we really don't. This isn't about triumphalism and that's why we only started to implement sanctions after endless diplomatic talks with Moscow. The west very much stood back because they wanted the Ukraine to determine their own destiny; we wanted a peaceful resolution. We only started to up our game after the ceasefire in September wasn't honoured. I'll add to that... there is so much information from both Washington and Moscow about this ceasefire; nobody really knows who threw the first stone.

What we do know is, Russia started to cross borders into the Ukraine with tanks and heavy rocket launchers. We also know that Russian artillery has been fired across the borders and that Russian backed rebels are being armed with rifles and anti-tank weapons. This is a fratricide war but only one side are armed. Why shound the west not back those who need to fight the Russian separatists? We were already involved in Negotiations with the Ukraine before this upheaval. So far, the west has only sent emergency aid for the 1.5 million displaced Ukrainians. Its shown and still shows no eagerness to to pour gasoline onto an open fire like the Russians appear to be doing.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It actually amazes me how people can make posts which include the phrase "Russia needs to be stopped".....???

Stopped from what, protecting their borders against a relentless aggressive eastwards moving NATO perhaps .

Russia has been forced to respond to the events of the past 18 months whilst being painted as the aggressor.

It is not , it is actually quite a peaceful Country, a wartime longstanding ally without who's help would have resulted in Britain losing both first and second world wars.

No the only aggressive, warmongering country I can see at the moment is the one that allegedly purports to stand for freedom and democracy.

Freedom and democracy as long as you do what we say and use our currency.

This is the country that is only 200 years old and has been involved in 10 major wars. The country that spends billions attacking and bombing countries in order to save them. This is the pariah state not Russia.

People need to wake up and take their blinkers off and insist their govt stop giving unconditional support to this playground bully.




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Now i'm not really a follower of the YouTube conspiracy theories and RT propaganda of the west orchestrating the Ukraine revolution,Although i don't discount the fact that it is possible.
Also yes i agree that the US was wrong in its Middle East involvement regarding Iraq.
The US are not the paragon of moral high ground in the world and have done alot of shady stuff in world.
However the US are not the ones invading a European country on our back door.Saying the US is bad does'nt automatically make Russia good.Russia has used alot of underhand tactics and blatently lied about them.However bad America is,They are'nt the immediate threat in Europe at the moment,More so the Middle East which yes does have a knock on effect in the world and i am not a USA!USA! flag waver.I believe America are dangerous but not as dangerous to us as Russia at this time.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Now i'm not really a follower of the YouTube conspiracy theories and RT propaganda of the west orchestrating the Ukraine revolution,Although i don't discount the fact that it is possible.
Also yes i agree that the US was wrong in its Middle East involvement regarding Iraq.
The US are not the paragon of moral high ground in the world and have done alot of shady stuff in world.
However the US are not the ones invading a European country on our back door.Saying the US is bad does'nt automatically make Russia good.Russia has used alot of underhand tactics and blatently lied about them.However bad America is,They are'nt the immediate threat in Europe at the moment,More so the Middle East which yes does have a knock on effect in the world and i am not a USA!USA! flag waver.I believe America are dangerous but not as dangerous to us as Russia at this time.

Please please tell me how Russia is a threat to you... ...??

How many times have they invaded Britain , exactly ... They are no threat , they just want to be left to develop their country and utilise their resources.

They are only a threat when they are constantly prodded and probed by our friends across the water who think they have a God given right to rule the whole flipping planet.

They are also a threat when they decide to sell oil and gas in currencies other than US dollars, a bit like the other countries who tried to do this eg Iraq,Libya, Afghanistan, Syria they all seem to have found themselves bombed invaded and their leaders overthrown.

Anyone see a pattern emerging.... Probably half the reason Iran is under such scrutiny because it wants to set up an oil bourse that doesn't trade exclusively in USD .

Once China depegs it's currency from the USD it too will be a target for aggressive US sanctions / actions.

Bottom line is that the U.S. are only surviving by virtue of the fact that the rest of the world buys their debt by using the USD as the world's reserve currency. Once that goes the US will implode so trust me when I say that they will do absolutely anything and everything they can to maintain the status quo.

Question- in times of global tension where does all the money go where is it stored ?
Ans - in US Dollars






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[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Please please tell me how Russia is a threat to you... ...??

How many times have they invaded Britain , exactly ... They are no threat , they just want to be left to develop their country and utilise their resources.

They are only a threat when they are constantly prodded and probed by our friends across the water who think they have a God given right to rule the whole flipping planet.

They are also a threat when they decide to sell oil and gas in currencies other than US dollars, a bit like the other countries who tried to do this eg Iraq,Libya, Afghanistan, Syria they all seem to have found themselves bombed invaded and their leaders overthrown.

Anyone see a pattern emerging.... Probably half the reason Iran is under such scrutiny because it wants to set up an oil bourse that doesn't trade exclusively in USD .

Once China depegs it's currency from the USD it too will be a target for aggressive US sanctions / actions.

Bottom line is that the U.S. are only surviving by virtue of the fact that the rest of the world buys their debt by using the USD as the world's reserve currency. Once that goes the US will implode so trust me when I say that they will do absolutely anything and everything they can to maintain the status quo.

Question- in times of global tension where does all the money go where is it stored ?
Ans - in US Dollars






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I do agree with majority of your post regarding oil currency and have seen many programmes on this.But as i said none of this makes Russias arrogant invasion of a European country any better.It is too bold of a card to play and has ramped up East/West tensions beyond anything seen since the Cold War.Putin can't just go and Annex a European country by force and yes he does have influence over the rebels and alot of them are Russian special forces along with advanced AA weaponary which the Eastern Ukrainians would not have access to.

So far the West has'nt retaliated but Putin did'nt stop at Crimea,He is expanding his aggression further and further into Ukraine and if is left unhindered who knows where he will stop.

If he pushes further and further west and heads for Kiev which is not that far fetched as his momentum grows then the fighting will be fierce and America and very likely Britain,Poland,Germany etc will send troops in and it will be the start of a world disaster which could very easily escalate into a serious conflict bigger than any seen so far.So yes Russia is a threat to all of us.It played to strong a hand and was uncalled for.If the Ukrainian people want to be part of the EU or even Nato then that is up to them.Russias bully tactics should not be tolerated.I do believe that if the Eastern Ukraine wants to become autonamous then they should have a right to vote on that WITHOUT Russia influencing the vote with troops as they did in Crimea but if Russia gets greedy and pushes toward Kiev then we are all in trouble.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I do agree with majority of your post regarding oil currency and have seen many programmes on this.But as i said none of this makes Russias arrogant invasion of a European country any better.It is too bold of a card to play and has ramped up East/West tensions beyond anything seen since the Cold War.Putin can't just go and Annex a European country by force and yes he does have influence over the rebels and alot of them are Russian special forces along with advanced AA weaponary which the Eastern Ukrainians would not have access to.

So far the West has'nt retaliated but Putin did'nt stop at Crimea,He is expanding his aggression further and further into Ukraine and if is left unhindered who knows where he will stop.

If he pushes further and further west and heads for Kiev which is not that far fetched as his momentum grows then the fighting will be fierce and America and very likely Britain,Poland,Germany etc will send troops in and it will be the start of a world disaster which could very easily escalate into a serious conflict bigger than any seen so far.So yes Russia is a threat to all of us.It played to strong a hand and was uncalled for.If the Ukrainian people want to be part of the EU or even Nato then that is up to them.Russias bully tactics should not be tolerated.I do believe that if the Eastern Ukraine wants to become autonamous then they should have a right to vote on that WITHOUT Russia influencing the vote with troops as they did in Crimea but if Russia gets greedy and pushes toward Kiev then we are all in trouble.

First of all.... Why oh why would Russia want to invade Ukraine and go marching on to Kiev, even Putin isn't that stupid.

Besides Ukraine is a bankrupt country and is heading towards failed state status, no Russia doesn't need to invade the Ukraine it will always be a major partner to ukraine , a protector and a bank ready to give ukraine the money it needs with less strings attached than the IMF or world bank.

Do some research into what US companies have set up in Ukraine, massive agri industries like Monsanto ready to grow even more GM crops at the expense of Ukraine's already established agricultural industries.

By setting up this current puppet govt with its masters in Washington the Ukrainian people East and west have been sold a lie and their country is now a battlefield in proxy Cold War.

Such a shame that the rest of the world did not condemn the illegal revolution in Ukraine in 2013.

Look at where we are now, all totally unnecessary.

I hope the European peace initiative works and the fighting and killing stops but I doubt it as the US is furious Putin took Crimea to protect its naval bases in Sevastopol when really the big payback for the US was supposed to be the new Ukrainian govt terminating the leases for these bases and forcing Russia into a corner.

But as usual President Putin out manoeuvred the US as he thinks two or three moves ahead.

As someone once said the US president plays draughts while the Russian president plays chess.

Don't be fooled the US has created this whole crisis for its own geopolitical agenda , I just wish more innocent people didn't have to die in the crossfire.





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