[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Joey - the great irony here, is that I do not disagree with anything you are saying. I really don't.

I used to help genuine claimants with their appeals back in the day of 'The All Work Test', and I know that like every ill thought out Government B.S. initiative that more often than not the 'big stick' hits the wrong targets and 'The New Broom' misses the shit and sweeps out the genuine claimants - who are often intimidated, confused and bewildered, whereas the fraudulent claimants 'know the ropes' and being more devious, are harder to shift.

I know how the billions which the Government bailed out the bankers with during the property crash and recession did not result in mortgages being offered to the lower paid or loans being offered to SME's as per the caveat, but found its way into the pockets of their top earners by way of £ million pound + bonuses.

I know that in 2012 the abysmal George Osborn froze personal allowances for over 4.5 million tax-paying pensioners and cut child benefits for the poorest families in the UK so he could fund income tax cuts for over 300,000 of the wealthiest households. That was during the peak of the other 'Austerity Budget', and they're repeating the trick with most of the money raised now by these draconian and heartless cuts finding its way by stealth into the coffers of the UK's wealthiest families again by stealth.

I wish someone would see that I am not attacking the system or genuine claimants, but those crooks who are diverting money from going where it should - those genuinely in need.

Likewise Kirk, I don't disagree with anything from you in your post above, in fact in many of your posts overall on tibb I agree with a lot you say.

Your sentence above that says 'the big stick hits the wrong targets' is totally correct,I agree with that and that is what I come across all the time at present as to the most vulnerable on benefits.
Which is why the policies being enacted and also just about all this govts; ideas are not planned fairly with understanding and compassion.
When that is the case, with such really bad policy making,then the last people that should be hit are the most vulnerable.

I agree with you, although it seems on the surface we disagree, that a lot of the time,maybe we would like to see the same result.
I admit for my sins, I was dismissive in the past up to being 19,as to welfare and benefit issues,I supported this govts; plan to simplify them and even hold back rises for a time too.
However now at 23 I see what they have done and the way they have done it,which is for me 100% unacceptable and also for me beyond any forgiving too for it.

Thank you for your reply above, there we are, 2 posts with total agreement,hey that is pretty good going on here.
I do also see that you ,like myself, and a great many others, would love to see all benefit cheating ended.

My point to that is, with it actually in all truth being so small, it will probably in the end cost more than it saves to try to eradicate it.
While it should always be looked for, investigated and dealt with, it should not be the passionate all consuming demonisation and victimisation which this govts; efforts as to it have resulted in happening overall.