[Marsh.]

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest.

[Niamh.]

Mock that infraction wouldn't have been discussed because it was one of the most clear cut and agreed upon infractions ever given, seriously let it go

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Refusing to back down for one of the most obviously justified infractions we gave out last BB?

Now the smiley even gives it away that you're winding up with this comment.

[Josy]

And this people is the kind of thing we have to deal with...

[Smithy]

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now

Originally Posted by Josy

I agree that the infraction system can be messy but to be honest there is never going to be a 'set' system that can work, especially on here, there still is set points but I personally tend to go by what infractions a member has had in the past, if you for example had 10 infractions for insulting others then I would be more inclined to give you higher points for an insult than I would for someone that had 1 infraction in the past for insults...

Theres so many members with different points and infraction reasons that to treat every single rule break for each member the same way would be extremely unfair.

If 2 people are infracted at the same time and one is pushed into a ban then all I can say is that it's entirely their own fault, they must have broken more rules in the past to have high enough points to be pushed into a ban.

The straight ban thing, it can be extremely frustrating if arguing continues when we have already given out infractions to some of the members involved and maybe already posted a warning in the thread, arguing doesn't just affect the members involved it is also unfair on members that just want to reply to the thread topic to have to keep scrolling through drama, so a straight ban is the next thing.

I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling ), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest.

Neither the time nor the place Marshall

[Kyle]

Mock what have you been eating the last few weeks seriously?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Josy

Mock you never pmed any of us about your infraction..

Moving on..

So Marc's not a Mod?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Neither the time nor the place Marshall

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now



I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling ), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message

Nooo I think you misunderstood that. Its more a case of...if you had 4/5 infractions for insulting people over the past week, then you insulted someone again, you would get more points as you are obviously ignoring warnings and stuff. Infractions from ages ago don't matter.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So Marc's not a Mod?

Marc isn't here, we are answering you and you never pmed any of us.

You are ruining this thread that was in fact a decent discussion btw before you selfishly wanted to bring up your own infraction from 3 months ago.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now



I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling ), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message

I have to disagree with that, I think if a person is constantly doing the same thing and basically ignoring all the warnings and previous infractions for the same thing, you have to start upping their points or instantly banning (which we very rarely do btw)

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest.

I know and it's ridiculous that even after the show is over they can't just admit to making a mistake and that they overreacted.

This was only suppose to be quick to get it all sorted, but they won't back down at all.

Yes my other two infractions before that was deserved Josy as they wasn't jokes, but that one was, but by your definition then all posts that get reported should result in an infraction, including the ones that have got reversed.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf though the Mods and Admin don't like people causing trouble over infractions on the Forum, yet they don't engage with the members that do try to PM them over the issue, and then come up with rules that don't exist to excuse their mistake.

C'mon Mock,calm down ,I was a KH fan as you know and I remember thinking at the time the cheeky sod I am no chav,I may have even posted about it,you would have been offended I am sure if I had called Perez fans a bunch of nutters etc,fans wont find that funny .

[Ninastar]

Ban all the whiners!!!!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I know and it's ridiculous that even after the show is over they can't just admit to making a mistake and that they overreacted.

This was only suppose to be quick to get it all sorted, but they won't back down at all.

Yes my other two infractions before that was deserved Josy as they wasn't jokes, but that one was, but by your definition then all posts that get reported should result in an infraction, including the ones that have got reversed.

Because we werent wrong, and you did insult people

Also I say that as a Perez fan, if that matters..as it appears it does

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Mock that infraction wouldn't have been discussed because it was one of the most clear cut and agreed upon infractions ever given, seriously let it go

But how when I explained it at the time? And other members even thinking that you know who was overreacting, trust me I know as I've had PM's about it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest.

Be quiet you or I will switch off your oxygen tank

[Liam-]

I once got an infraction for calling someone a hypocrite, i wonder if i can appeal this now even though it was from when i first joined

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Be quiet you or I will switch off your oxygen tank

[Firewire]

god this thread is a mess

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I once got an infraction for calling someone a hypocrite, i wonder if i can appeal this now even though it was from when i first joined

Josy probably deserved it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

god this thread is a mess

You should've seen it two hours ago.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Josy probably deserved it.

It wasn't Josy

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nooo I think you misunderstood that. Its more a case of...if you had 4/5 infractions for insulting people over the past week, then you insulted someone again, you would get more points as you are obviously ignoring warnings and stuff. Infractions from ages ago don't matter.

Oh ok

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have to disagree with that, I think if a person is constantly doing the same thing and basically ignoring all the warnings and previous infractions for the same thing, you have to start upping their points or instantly banning (which we very rarely do btw)

Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)