[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I think it should be totally up to the cake shop what content they will print on their cakes.If they find something offensive then they should have the right to decline to make that cake.Iirc the gay men had been customers in the past of that shop and the owner had no problem taking their business before,So they had nothing against these people,Just the content which they had been told to put on their cake.
If it is the company's policy not to make cakes with offensive slogans on and this cake WAS offensive to them then they should be free to refuse to make a cake with it on.

What if a black woman came in to order a cake for her wedding to a white man and the owner thought that interracial relationships were wrong, do you think he should have the right to refuse her on those grounds?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What if a black woman came in to order a cake for her wedding to a white man and the owner thought that interracial relationships were wrong, do you think he should have the right to refuse her on those grounds?

I think the cake shop should have total artistic authority over their own product.I don't think it would be right because it is not what i believe but you can't force the cake shop makers to make a cake which they don't wish to.The content that they offer should be totally up to the cake makers themselves then it is up to the customer to either use that shop or find one that better suits their needs.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I think the cake shop should have total artistic authority over their own product.I don't think it would be right because it is not what i believe but you can't force the cake shop makers to make a cake which they don't wish to.The content that they offer should be totally up to the cake makers themselves then it is up to the customer to either use that shop or find one that better suits their needs.

I have to disagree, discrimination should have no place in a business, a cake shop is one thing but if you say it's ok to discriminate you're setting a terrible precedent imo. You could end up having creches refusing to take the children of single parents or mixed race children etc etc

I mean realistically speaking, if a customer knew that a particular cake shop was prejudiced against them for some reason they probably wouldn't use them anyway because they probably wouldn't trust them with something like their wedding cake

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have to disagree, discrimination should have no place in a business, a cake shop is one thing but if you say it's ok to discriminate you're setting a terrible precedent imo. You could end up having creches refusing to take the children of single parents or mixed race children etc etc

I mean realistically speaking, if a customer knew that a particular cake shop was prejudiced against them for some reason they probably wouldn't use them anyway because they probably wouldn't trust them with something like their wedding cake

I would'nt compare this to a creche or something of that nature.
This is a product that is being offered.You would'nt dictate to a clothes company what they have to make and offer for sale,That is up to the designers to make and offer and hope that their product sells.If people don't like that product then they find a brand that they prefer.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I would'nt compare this to a creche or something of that nature.
This is a product that is being offered.You would'nt dictate to a clothes company what they have to make and offer for sale,That is up to the designers to make and offer and hope that their product sells.If people don't like that product then they find a brand that they prefer.

They offer and make wedding cakes though

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They offer and make wedding cakes though

They don't offer and make cakes which say 'support gay marriage' though.
Find another cake shop.Imo.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

They don't offer and make cakes which say 'support gay marriage' though.
Find another cake shop.Imo.

What if it was just their wedding cake, a normal wedding cake like any straight couples except it was for a gay couple?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The first chap is the baker and the next is the "gay"

They would make a nice couple

The case was adjourned on March 30 with district judge Isobel Brownlie reserving her judgement. She told Belfast County Court she would reserve her judgement so that "full consideration" could be given to the evidence, which was presented over three days.

Judge Brownlie said: "It is not a straightforward area of the law.

"Obviously this is a case in which I propose to reserve my judgement."

It is understood the verdict in the landmark case will be heard on Thursday May 7.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-31182488.html

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have to disagree, discrimination should have no place in a business, a cake shop is one thing but if you say it's ok to discriminate you're setting a terrible precedent imo. You could end up having creches refusing to take the children of single parents or mixed race children etc etc

I mean realistically speaking, if a customer knew that a particular cake shop was prejudiced against them for some reason they probably wouldn't use them anyway because they probably wouldn't trust them with something like their wedding cake

This is a seriously valid point Niamh, and one which I pondered. I wouldn't go to any cake shop which I knew did not genuinely want to serve me and were being made to because of the law, because - as you say - I just would not trust them because of what they might do to my cake because of possible resentment.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is a seriously valid point Niamh, and one which I pondered. I wouldn't go to any cake shop which I knew did not genuinely want to serve me and were being made to because of the law, because - as you say - I just would not trust them because of what they might do to my cake because of possible resentment.

yeah exactly