[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't feel they're fair examples either, you can't really compare anything other than homosexuals in reference to religious observance, except taxmen :/

I disagree with that, discrimination is discrimination, why should homosexuals be the only "fair game" in discrimination laws?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I disagree with that, discrimination is discrimination, why should homosexuals be the only "fair game" in discrimination laws?

Because they are the only sub group referred to in scripture, that's why Christians feel justified discriminating against them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Because they are the only sub group referred to in scripture, that's why Christians feel justified discriminating against them.

It doesn't matter whether or not Christians feel justified in discriminating against them though. It's either saying that it's ok to discriminate against a certain group as long as you're part of a religion and if that's the case what's to stop other religions doing the same against anyone they want? or else it's saying that discrimination is totally wrong for every group except gay people, they're fair game

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It doesn't matter whether or not Christians feel justified in discriminating against them though. It's either saying that it's ok to discriminate against a certain group as long as you're part of a religion and if that's the case what's to stop other religions doing the same against anyone they want? or else it's saying that discrimination is totally wrong for every group except gay people, they're fair game

It's their interpretation of the bible, that is the only group where they can legitimately say they go against their religious observance to provide a service for with regard to marriage.
If that is changed then they'll have to accept that, until then religious observances are protected under the same umbrella as gay rights as far as I see it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's their interpretation of the bible, that is the only group where they can legitimately say they go against their religious observance to provide a service for with regard to marriage.
If that is changed then they'll have to accept that, until then religious observances are protected under the same umbrella as gay rights as far as I see it.

I thought this thread was about changing the Law to allow religious owned businesses to discriminate

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I thought this thread was about changing the Law to allow religious owned businesses to discriminate

Hang on... ah.... oh well it relates to the other thread and if the precedent is set on May 7th with the case of the Irish bakers he won't have to promise anything as they'll all just cite that if they want to discriminate won't they?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hang on... ah.... oh well it relates to the other thread and if the precedent is set on May 7th with the case of the Irish bakers he won't have to promise anything as they'll all just cite that if they want to discriminate won't they?

Yeah more than likely

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It doesn't matter whether or not Christians feel justified in discriminating against them though. It's either saying that it's ok to discriminate against a certain group as long as you're part of a religion and if that's the case what's to stop other religions doing the same against anyone they want? or else it's saying that discrimination is totally wrong for every group except gay people, they're fair game

So it's ok to discriminate against somebody's religion?Forcing them to make something in their own shop which is against their religion is discriminating against their religious beliefs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

So it's ok to discriminate against somebody's religion?Forcing them to make something in their own shop which is against their religion is discriminating against their religious beliefs.

If a gay cake shop owner refused to make a cake for a christian couples wedding then maybe you'd have a point

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If a gay cake shop owner refused to make a cake for a christian couples wedding then maybe you'd have a point

That did'nt happen and i still have a point
Although i'm beginning to forget what that point was

[bots]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

That did'nt happen and i still have a point
Although i'm beginning to forget what that point was

Trying to veer the thread back to the point .....

Once a law is in force, that's it, there is no room for discussion. People either comply or they don't and they take the consequences if they don't. No exceptions.

At the moment, a business has the right to refuse to do business with who ever it decides is not right for them. However, that decision must also be made within the context of the law. refusing to do business with some PURELY on the grounds of a discriminatory stance that has been made illegal is against the law.

All that said, its simple enough for anyone to get round said laws. Sorry, can't do business with you as our order book is already full etc etc etc.