[the truth]

he made a totally legitimate and specific point about a specific job he knew a lot about....stocks are instant and if you choose to take a career break it hits your career and your pay packet. fact. the feminist was not only too ignorant and frankly stupid to even listen to his points, she started ranting pointing and insulting and dragging in a ton of irrelevant nonsense. furthermore the female presenter was biased unprofessional and totally sexist, all bbc impartiality was lost as always on matters of feminism.
imagine your life savings are all with a broker you trust when she choose to leave her career and go to have a baby....are you going to find another broker or wait a few years? the trouble too is the courts are so biased in favour of mothers that mothers want the kids and the home but they cant keep the career too , not at the same level not at the same time and certainly not in this specific career....one day the penny wil drop women, feminists NO ONE can have it all

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I especially like the 'feminists' who refuse to shave their arm pit hair because......Why should they?It's their RIGHT to walk around looking like they've got Bob Marley in a head lock:joker:

AND Classic.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Despite my previous humour i am actually all for equal pay and opportunities for women.I do think that maybe some jobs may not be suited for motherhood only in that some proffessions can't afford the woman to have months off on maternity leave.Some women do go back alot earlier.I'd say most proffessions can make concessions for maternity leave but not all.Men usually only get two weeks whereas a woman can be off up to almost a year.

What have you been on today Paul?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I remember the old Mrs LT kicking off when I booked a golf holiday when I got 1 weeks maternity leave for our first brat


there is just NO pleasing some women

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You can't have a career if you have kids and are female? wow.

There are some jobs that don't sit with being a mother. I could get a call today that will mean I'll be at the airport in a couple of hours, with no set return date. There are mothers who do my job, I'm not suggesting there are none, but nannies raise their children. If and when I have a child I wouldn't want that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are some jobs that don't sit with being a mother. I could get a call today that will mean I'll be at the airport in a couple of hours, with no set return date. There are mothers who do my job, I'm not suggesting there are none, but nannies raise their children. If and when I have a child I wouldn't want that.

Sure but ideally there would be two parents in a home

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sure but ideally there would be two parents in a home

If the husband stays home, then fine... but it doesn't always work out like that. If I have kids I would want to give them my 100% attention and I couldn't if I was doing my current job.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

If the husband stays home, then fine... but it doesn't always work out like that. If I have kids I would want to give them my 100% attention and I couldn't if I was doing my current job.

That's you though, doesn't mean that all women would want to give up their job and stay home

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's you though, doesn't mean that all women would want to give up their job and stay home

I can't imagine a woman with either no husband or a working husband being able to give enough to the job and still be able to raise her kids. It's just the way it is. Do another job... do another job in the same area of work... go back to it when the kids are older. I'm not suggesting women should stay at home, only that there are some jobs that aren't suitable when you have a young family unless you have a husband willing to support you 100%. And in my experience, that isn't always the case.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't imagine a woman with either no husband or a working husband being able to give enough to the job and still be able to raise her kids. It's just the way it is. Do another job... do another job in the same area of work... go back to it when the kids are older. I'm not suggesting women should stay at home, only that there are some jobs that aren't suitable when you have a young family unless you have a husband willing to support you 100%. And in my experience, that isn't always the case.

Yet no one ever tells men they "can't have it all" or have a good career if they have kids

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yet no one ever tells men they "can't have it all" or have a good career if they have kids

No, that's true. That'll change with generations, I think. Or until men give birth! Right now though, like I said, the only women I know who work with me and have kids have live-in nannies, and I wouldn't want that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Funny because my daughter has just graduated from Lancaster and her phone just never stops ringing....
As far as I know though she's not going into space.....yet

Yes, the Tories have created lots of jobs for graduates.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's true. That'll change with generations, I think. Or until men give birth! Right now though, like I said, the only women I know who work with me and have kids have live-in nannies, and I wouldn't want that.

And that's your choice which you're absolutely entitled to but having a nanny doesn't make you bad parent either.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And that's your choice which you're absolutely entitled to but having a nanny doesn't make you bad parent either.

Having a nanny doesn't mean you're having it all. Having a nanny means you're having a career while someone else is bringing up your child. That's what I mean by not being able to have it all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And that's your choice which you're absolutely entitled to but having a nanny doesn't make you bad parent either.

no but perhaps its an indication that you could be?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Having a nanny doesn't mean you're having it all. Having a nanny means you're having a career while someone else is bringing up your child. That's what I mean by not being able to have it all.

It's always the women that get told they're not having it all or that someone else is raising their child though, no one ever says that to men, it really pisses me off. I think that's what annoys me most. I understand what point you were making though and I agree that ideally a child should be raised by it's parents/family, it just annoys me that women are the bad guys or the ones accused of "wanting it all" and the dads are just being men

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's always the women that get told they're not having it all or that someone else is raising their child though, no one ever says that to men, it really pisses me off. I think that's what annoys me most. I understand what point you were making though and I agree that ideally a child should be raised by it's parents/family, it just annoys me that women are the bad guys or the ones accused of "wanting it all" and the dads are just being men

My brother took five years away from work when his children were small as his wife had the better paid job (by a long chalk), so he stayed home and she went back to work. Now they're at school she still has the high-flying career while my brother's work is local and allows him to be there for the children. It's worked out well for them. I think there will be much more of that in the future. I hope so.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

My brother took five years away from work when his children were small as his wife had the better paid job (by a long chalk), so he stayed home and she went back to work. Now they're at school she still has the high-flying career while my brother's work is local and allows him to be there for the children. It's worked out well for them. I think there will be much more of that in the future. I hope so.

Good for him, that's proper team work

[user104658]

EEeeerrrmmmm uuuurrrggghhhh my eyeballs might actually melt if I say this but, on this occasion, Farage is less wrong than the "overexcited" lady.

I don't necessarily think that Farage is right, it's a much more complicated issue than he's presenting, but there's nothing inherently wrong in what he's saying. The pay gap DOES, these days, have much more to do with lifestyle and family choices than any sort of active discrimination.

You can't be an ideal parent and have a high-flying career that takes up 90% of your life. Male or female. You just can't. It's not that it's any different for mums and dads - just that the current social norm is for mothers to be more active parents, therefore that is generally what happens, therefore more women take time out of work than their male counterparts, therefore there is a pay gap.

Anyway... the reason that the loud lady is wrong on this occasion is mainly just that she keeps trying to disprove a broad statement by offering specific examples. "It can't be true that this stops most women from [whatever] because look at me / Betty / Sue / Jane!". She could reel off specific examples all day and it would have absolutely no logical impact on the statement regarding "most women". Because "most" is not "all". Meh. I think she really did miss the point. Went in hot-headed responding to an argument that hadn't even been stated.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's true. That'll change with generations, I think. Or until men give birth! Right now though, like I said, the only women I know who work with me and have kids have live-in nannies, and I wouldn't want that.

but men lose the kids and their homes if the wife ever wants a divorce so the man has far more to lose and far less grounds when the wife wants him out...so everyone pays a price one way or another

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

but men lose the kids and their homes if the wife ever wants a divorce so the man has far more to lose and far less grounds when the wife wants him out...so everyone pays a price one way or another

That's a completely separate issue.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's a completely separate issue.

no its not. the fact that women get more time off work means they spend more quality time with their kids and strengthens those relationships which in turn means that if there is ever a divorce the law courts will come down in favour of the women over 80% of the time. thus the man loses his home and his kids over 80% of the time...that's the risk he takes by spending less time at home with the kids and at work earning mony to pay the bills...its entirely the same issue as its directly linked and is a direct consequence of the man on average spending more unbroken time at work in his career than the woman. you simply have to look at the whole picture here to form a legitimate opinion not just a tiny part of it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

no its not. the fact that women get more time off work means they spend more quality time with their kids and strengthens those relationships which in turn means that if there is ever a divorce the law courts will come down in favour of the women over 80% of the time. thus the man loses his home and his kids over 80% of the time...that's the risk he takes by spending less time at home with the kids and at work earning mony to pay the bills...its entirely the same issue as its directly linked and is a direct consequence of the man on average spending more unbroken time at work in his career than the woman. you simply have to look at the whole picture here to form a legitimate opinion not just a tiny part of it

I give up....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I give up....

good, because I'm right. Men face enormous consequences simply for working longer. Yet this is not discussed on the feminist biased radical liberal bbc.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I give up....