[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is what turns me off UKIP, the rhetoric as to anything they and their supporters don't like or want as being the absolute truth and all that matters.
Everyone else wrong, only they being right, in their view.

The hard extreme of dismissing everything anyone else says that challenges the UKIP viewpoint,usually with nasty put downs and unnecessary personal insults too.

Had Labour won the election, it would have done a lot I would have not liked,a lot I would and I would have criticised anything I didn't like.
I have never, and still don't believe only one party has the answers to everything.

As to immigration and this topic as to it today, we all knew the immigration figures when this govt. came to power,it was falling when this govt' came to power too.
It was this PM who said he was going to get it down to tens of thousands.
in 5 years,no ifs,no buts.

It has considerably gone up under his watch,no one elses,almost back to the levels Labour were hammered for it reaching, still he gets no blame.
He cannot in fact do anything about it really,UKIP cannot either, unless we are out of the EU.
Thankfully now businesses are getting behind the staying in side, coming out won't happen and really immigration will just have to be tolerated in the main by all parties under the EU guidelines to same.

oh aye I forgot you new labour fans get all offended or rather pretend to get offended by the most trivial things, the wrong adjective and new labourites always falsely accuse others of bigotry , yet ignore illegal wars million plus dead innocents endless innocents dying in the british hospitals from starvation thirst and neglect. nothing to say about that. evolting lying war mongers........oh but lets just blame it all on bush eh? easy cop out. funny so many other nations didn't join in the illegal wars they had more backbone more morality

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

oh aye I forgot you new labour fans get all offended or rather pretend to get offended by the most trivial things, the wrong adjective and new labourites always falsely accuse others of bigotry , yet ignore illegal wars million plus dead innocents endless innocents dying in the british hospitals from starvation thirst and neglect. nothing to say about that. evolting lying war mongers........oh but lets just blame it all on bush eh? easy cop out. funny so many other nations didn't join in the illegal wars they had more backbone more morality

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

I dint ear many apologies from new labour, warmonger hume didn't even bother counting up the innocent dead, he simply didn't care....just like the fake new labourites who followed him into hell. 95% of the female mps voted for the illegal invasion too....so much for new labours radical view than women will mean less violence less war...yet another new labour lie that cost the lives of thousands. new labour are dead. they are pond life scum. hopefully in time some of them will be charged with war crimes. its also tragically funny to see ed balls up, the man who bankrupted us, actually as shadow chancellor for 5 years? just shows you the new labour idiots learnt nothing

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

I would have been against it Kizzy,I wasn't a Labour supporter then anyway,in fact as you yourself weren't either.
I really am stunned how these attacks are allowed to go on.
This is a thread about today's immigration figures not the Iraq war.

I have to say I am sadly getting really dismayed on here these last 3 days, really fed up of things now,sick of and rather weary of getting pulled up on every comment I make in so nastily and unnecessarily a fashion from 2 to 3 people.
It seems you get nowhere complaining either.

Options are running out but I am not really putting up with this much longer.
I love tibb but am fast coming to the point where enough really is enough.
By the way, just as they are, you are fully entitled and should be too, as to voicing your opinions,no matter what party you support or your views on immigration, without getting nasty insults and belittling attacks back for doing so.
At least I thought and believed that was how it should be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would have been against it Kizzy,I wasn't a Labour supporter then anyway,in fact as you yourself weren't either.
I really am stunned how these attacks are allowed to go on.
This is a thread about today's immigration figures not the Iraq war.

I have to say I am sadly getting really dismayed on here these last 3 days, really fed up of things now,sick of and rather weary of getting pulled up on every comment I make in so nastily and unnecessarily a fashion from 2 to 3 people.
It seems you get nowhere complaining either.

Options are running out but I am not really putting up with this much longer.
I love tibb but am fast coming to the point where enough really is enough.
By the way, just as they are, you are fully entitled and should be too, as to voicing your opinions,no matter what party you support or your views on immigration, without getting nasty insults and belittling attacks back for doing so.
At least I thought and believed that was how it should be.

It's like water off a ducks back, we could raise issues going back to the 80s the sinking of the belgrano to the destabilisation due to military intervention in 2011... but what's the point?
I'm not getting drawn out.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

labour represents a very wide spectrum of views compared to insular little activist parties like ukip

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

labour represents a very wide spectrum of views compared to insular little activist parties like ukip

And Labour has also a LONG, LONG, history of deceit, corruption, mismanagement, waste, broken election promises, 'U' Turns and failures compared to 'insular little activist parties like ukip'.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And Labour has also a LONG, LONG, history of deceit, corruption, mismanagement, waste, broken election promises, 'U' Turns and failures compared to 'insular little activist parties like ukip'.

Given that ukip are such a small party they are a bit of a mess, and so far don't seem to be adhering particularly to democratic processes within their own party. Corruption, well take a look at the crap surrounding the 650k going to the ukip mp back office. We only have a few examples to go on with ukip, but i'm not perceiving them as some lilly white party, far from it

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Given that ukip are such a small party they are a bit of a mess, and so far don't seem to be adhering particularly to democratic processes within their own party. Corruption, well take a look at the crap surrounding the 650k going to the ukip mp back office. We only have a few examples to go on with ukip, but i'm not perceiving them as some lilly white party, far from it

yes you study that and ignore 4 million votes for just 1 seat, typical disingenuous new labourite

[bots]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes you study that and ignore 4 million votes for just 1 seat, typical disingenuous new labourite

the things I mentioned have happened since the 4 million voted for them. I very much doubt if half that number would vote for them now.

I am neither disingenuous, as all I have said can be backed up with fact, or a labour supporter. I do however know the difference between a proper political party like the labour party and a mickey mouse one like ukip

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

labour represents a very wide spectrum of views compared to insular little activist parties like ukip

I agree, I don't pay any mind or get drawn out by provocative comments it's a to and fro that never ends well