[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

oh aye I forgot you new labour fans get all offended or rather pretend to get offended by the most trivial things, the wrong adjective and new labourites always falsely accuse others of bigotry , yet ignore illegal wars million plus dead innocents endless innocents dying in the british hospitals from starvation thirst and neglect. nothing to say about that. evolting lying war mongers........oh but lets just blame it all on bush eh? easy cop out. funny so many other nations didn't join in the illegal wars they had more backbone more morality

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

I dint ear many apologies from new labour, warmonger hume didn't even bother counting up the innocent dead, he simply didn't care....just like the fake new labourites who followed him into hell. 95% of the female mps voted for the illegal invasion too....so much for new labours radical view than women will mean less violence less war...yet another new labour lie that cost the lives of thousands. new labour are dead. they are pond life scum. hopefully in time some of them will be charged with war crimes. its also tragically funny to see ed balls up, the man who bankrupted us, actually as shadow chancellor for 5 years? just shows you the new labour idiots learnt nothing

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

I would have been against it Kizzy,I wasn't a Labour supporter then anyway,in fact as you yourself weren't either.
I really am stunned how these attacks are allowed to go on.
This is a thread about today's immigration figures not the Iraq war.

I have to say I am sadly getting really dismayed on here these last 3 days, really fed up of things now,sick of and rather weary of getting pulled up on every comment I make in so nastily and unnecessarily a fashion from 2 to 3 people.
It seems you get nowhere complaining either.

Options are running out but I am not really putting up with this much longer.
I love tibb but am fast coming to the point where enough really is enough.
By the way, just as they are, you are fully entitled and should be too, as to voicing your opinions,no matter what party you support or your views on immigration, without getting nasty insults and belittling attacks back for doing so.
At least I thought and believed that was how it should be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would have been against it Kizzy,I wasn't a Labour supporter then anyway,in fact as you yourself weren't either.
I really am stunned how these attacks are allowed to go on.
This is a thread about today's immigration figures not the Iraq war.

I have to say I am sadly getting really dismayed on here these last 3 days, really fed up of things now,sick of and rather weary of getting pulled up on every comment I make in so nastily and unnecessarily a fashion from 2 to 3 people.
It seems you get nowhere complaining either.

Options are running out but I am not really putting up with this much longer.
I love tibb but am fast coming to the point where enough really is enough.
By the way, just as they are, you are fully entitled and should be too, as to voicing your opinions,no matter what party you support or your views on immigration, without getting nasty insults and belittling attacks back for doing so.
At least I thought and believed that was how it should be.

It's like water off a ducks back, we could raise issues going back to the 80s the sinking of the belgrano to the destabilisation due to military intervention in 2011... but what's the point?
I'm not getting drawn out.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As Labour supporters are we not entitled to a view?
I really object to your accusations that ALL Labour supporters were in support of taking the UK to war, that is NOT true.

labour represents a very wide spectrum of views compared to insular little activist parties like ukip

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

labour represents a very wide spectrum of views compared to insular little activist parties like ukip

And Labour has also a LONG, LONG, history of deceit, corruption, mismanagement, waste, broken election promises, 'U' Turns and failures compared to 'insular little activist parties like ukip'.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And Labour has also a LONG, LONG, history of deceit, corruption, mismanagement, waste, broken election promises, 'U' Turns and failures compared to 'insular little activist parties like ukip'.

Given that ukip are such a small party they are a bit of a mess, and so far don't seem to be adhering particularly to democratic processes within their own party. Corruption, well take a look at the crap surrounding the 650k going to the ukip mp back office. We only have a few examples to go on with ukip, but i'm not perceiving them as some lilly white party, far from it

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Given that ukip are such a small party they are a bit of a mess, and so far don't seem to be adhering particularly to democratic processes within their own party. Corruption, well take a look at the crap surrounding the 650k going to the ukip mp back office. We only have a few examples to go on with ukip, but i'm not perceiving them as some lilly white party, far from it

yes you study that and ignore 4 million votes for just 1 seat, typical disingenuous new labourite

[bots]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes you study that and ignore 4 million votes for just 1 seat, typical disingenuous new labourite

the things I mentioned have happened since the 4 million voted for them. I very much doubt if half that number would vote for them now.

I am neither disingenuous, as all I have said can be backed up with fact, or a labour supporter. I do however know the difference between a proper political party like the labour party and a mickey mouse one like ukip

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the things I mentioned have happened since the 4 million voted for them. I very much doubt if half that number would vote for them now.

I am neither disingenuous, as all I have said can be backed up with fact, or a labour supporter. I do however know the difference between a proper political party like the labour party and a mickey mouse one like ukip

Please do not start accusing me that I am; "trying to stifle or suppress anyone who disagrees with me" - or any other such unfair nonsense - as you have done before, because I am doing nothing more than exercising my democratic right to respond as a member of this forum with a counter post to a post which I do not agree with.

You know - the exact same way which you and others do.

First of all, comparing UKIP with the Labour party and describing it as 'mickey mouse' is as ridiculous as comparing the teetering first steps of a toddler with the practiced gait of a a fit 30 year old because UKIP is a relatively fledgling party by comparison with the long established Labour Party, and is therefore replete with all the teething troubles and immaturity one would reasonably expect it to have.

Secondly; you were the first to point out this disparency when you were defending the Labour Party's long history of corruption, malpractice, and failure in another post, implying that because UKIP WERE such a new party "we only have a few examples to go on with UKIP".

Lastly, you state that you: 'very much doubt if half that number (4 million) would vote for UKIP now', and that UKIP are a 'mickey Mouse party' and not a 'proper political party', and claim that "all" you "have said can be backed up with fact", but `I challenge you to POST those facts because the TRUTH is that UKIP are on the rise and have been phenomenally successful in such a very short space of time and despite having ALL the mighty media pro-EU and pro-Immigration media propaganda machine railed against it for years.

As the following FACTS incontrovertibly attest:

1) UKIP has cemented its place as the new third party of British politics after a fresh surge in popularity - this time in the more difficult terrain of parliamentary elections.

2) UKIP took not far off 4 million votes across the country: 3,881,129 according to the BBC’s final figures. That is 12.6% or one in every eight voters.

3) UKIP seized control of its first local authority – Thanet council – taking 33 of its 56 seats.

4) UKIP has its first MP - Douglas Carswell retaining the seat he won in last year’s Clacton byelection. Although only one seat due to the FPTP system, this is a 100% gain on the 2010 total.

5) UKIP has taken second place in 120 seats – up from precisely NONE at the last election.

6) UKIP are sucssefully on target with these results as far as their “2020 Strategy” is concerned, which is; "to get the party lined up as a serious and credible opponent to both Tories and Labour in order to launch a far stronger challenge at the polls in 2020.

7) UKIP also came a very close THIRD in a lot of seats and emerged as a CLEAR threat to the main two parties - notably in Thurrock where it took 31.7% of the vote and just TWO percentage points separate the Conservatives, Labour and UKIP.

8) UKIP's second places allow UKIP to present itself as the main credible opponent to the sitting MPs. A vote for UKIP in these seats no longer seems a wasted protest vote, but a viable means of unseating the discredited purveyors of austerity.

9) UKIP has done well across a surprisingly wide geographical spread with a noticeable UKIP vote in apparently unlikely areas such as parts of Wales.

10) UKIP has even shown by the votes it received in traditional Tory shires and Labour heartlands, that it IS making real connections with the electorate in these traditional Red and Blue strongholds.

11) UKIP has built on its existing presence in the Tory shires, where over the past couple of years it has gained substantial numbers of councillors at the local elections.

12) UKIP have also made great play of the party’s increasing popularity in northern, traditionally Labour constituencies – and the general election vote reflects this.

13) UKIP's policies have been so recognised as TRUE by a GROWING number of the electorate that Cameron and others have been quick to desperately hijack them and regurgitate them as their own - this includes immigration and the EU.

Don't be frightened by the TRUTH for the Truth shall set ye free.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

labour represents a very wide spectrum of views compared to insular little activist parties like ukip

I agree, I don't pay any mind or get drawn out by provocative comments it's a to and fro that never ends well