[jaxie]

Originally Posted by downthechippie

I understand exactly what you are saying Mystic, because loyalty is high up on my list of qualities. Sadly, many people don't seem to put much store by it - as demonstrated on this very thread.

What James did to Austin was spiteful, hurtful, designed to eliminate. You don't do that to 'friends'.

But I think that James is the sort of person who goes about his life, very charming and friendly, on the surface a pleasant person - but underneath he is something else. He has no substance or moral compass.

I would say that the most hurtful people are not those who shout or swear, but those who say things 'in the nicest possible way', calmly and with the pretence of doing it for your own good, while really putting in the psychological knife.

Give me a 'shouter' any day of the week.

I don't think blind
Loyalty is worth having. I'd have had less respect for James if he just went along with Austin on everything, even when Austin says unacceptable things.

[downthechippie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think blind
Loyalty is worth having. I'd have had less respect for James if he just went along with Austin on everything, even when Austin says unacceptable things.

oh, I too would have respected James if he had told Austin straight that he was totally pissed off with his attitude, so much so that it was affecting his feelings of friendship towards him. What jars with me, is the way he ca\vorts with Austin, all the banter and closeness, as though they were good friends. All this talk of people not getting close in a few weeks is just not true. People can get very very close in a few weeks if they are sharing experiences and time and proximity with each other 24/7.

What has made me dislike James is his cold bloodedness. His ability to be emotionally aloof from someone who obviously cares a lot for him - i.e. Austin. James knows how Austin feels about him and James is not being open and honest.

That is not nice.

[jet]

Originally Posted by downthechippie

oh, I too would have respected James if he had told Austin straight that he was totally pissed off with his attitude, so much so that it was affecting his feelings of friendship towards him. What jars with me, is the way he ca\vorts with Austin, all the banter and closeness, as though they were good friends. All this talk of people not getting close in a few weeks is just not true. People can get very very close in a few weeks if they are sharing experiences and time and proximity with each other 24/7.

What has made me dislike James is his cold bloodedness. His ability to be emotionally aloof from someone who obviously cares a lot for him - i.e. Austin. James knows how Austin feels about him and James is not being open and honest.

That is not nice.

He did speak to him about his attitude, several times!
Of course James is going to banter with Austin - they hang out together and have fun. It doesn't mean they have to swear undying loyalty to each other no matter if one of them behaves like a bullying lout.

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by downthechippie

oh, I too would have respected James if he had told Austin straight that he was totally pissed off with his attitude, so much so that it was affecting his feelings of friendship towards him. What jars with me, is the way he ca\vorts with Austin, all the banter and closeness, as though they were good friends. All this talk of people not getting close in a few weeks is just not true. People can get very very close in a few weeks if they are sharing experiences and time and proximity with each other 24/7.

What has made me dislike James is his cold bloodedness. His ability to be emotionally aloof from someone who obviously cares a lot for him - i.e. Austin. James knows how Austin feels about him and James is not being open and honest.

That is not nice.

he did - and a lot more than once. Austin 'Im always right' Amoroso didn't want to listen and instead went off on a rant.