[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

James should run for his life. The guy is obsessed with him

Austin isn't the only one obsessed

[Jason.]

7 pages for a thread about James Hill. Who would've thought?

[Livia]

Austin has been a childish, petulant a-hole for some time now. If someone doesn't agree with him he starts twisting people's words and getting all bent out of shape... it's a bit like Serious Debates! Anyhoo... he's blotted his copybook with his ridiculously immature behaviour which is a shame because I think a lot of people liked him till he showed everyone what he's really like.

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by MrWong

That's not true.

Plenty of hm's have remained close friends, in and out of the house. Off the top of my head, Alison and Kate. Brian and Narinder. Aaron and Faye.

friends AFTER LEAVING the house - believe me you do not become 'close' friends in an unnatural situation in the space of days with cameras and forced directions thrown at you - you may START to get to know one another but the 'close friends' comes wayyyyy down the line when you can be yourself and live your life. the only 'close' friends I would believe in the space of a few days or couple of weeks are kids in kindergarden - but even they know it won't last.

[downthechippie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mate please, you're killing me.

Its a gameshow you win money on..it has gameplayers.

On the other hand, do they just cancel nominations when everyones best mates!


No, no they ****ing don't.

For many of us true bb fans, it is more the psychology of the housemates that draws us in. You are right that for many, most?, it is 'just a gameshow'. For us diehards it is a chance to analyse personalities, try to get some understanding of how people do what they do. Try to make sense of human relationships. For me, it is more than just a game show. I wouldn't bother watching it otherwise.

When I get to see how these characters react to different situations, of course I make judgements.

If someone is 'playing the game' and getting their housemates to like them, and trying to get the public to like them - I THINK i can usually see through it.

My assessment of James is that he is not a man of substance. He would sell his own grandmother down the river if it meant advancement for himself. That's just my assessment.

Austin, I'm not too keen on, but at least he seems to have a streak of uncompromising realness, even to the extent of causing disharmony, arguments, and pain for himself and others. He will not compromise if he feels strongly about something.

I have to admire that.

[OZBB]

Here we go again with the "real"ness.

It's a common trait of Gen Y and Gen Stupid that you MUST be "real".

"Real" meaning - vile, obnoxious, stepping on anybody in your way.


God, I weep for the future because what the fark comes after Gen Stupid?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

friends AFTER LEAVING the house - believe me you do not become 'close' friends in an unnatural situation in the space of days with cameras and forced directions thrown at you - you may START to get to know one another but the 'close friends' comes wayyyyy down the line when you can be yourself and live your life. the only 'close' friends I would believe in the space of a few days or couple of weeks are kids in kindergarden - but even they know it won't last.

Still not true. They were close friends in the house. Unsurprising really when you spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week together.

Nariner only lasted 3 weeks and was still able to build a close friendship with Brian, for instance.

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Austin seemed genuinely upset to me (no that doesn't excuse his behaviour before anyone jumps down my throat)
...but where was his best mate when he was sobbing? -- Sitting on a chair looking like he couldn't care less, didn't bother to hug his mate like the other housemates were. He nominated his "best friend" in the house (which clearly very much upset Austin), and didn't seem to have the slightest bit of guilt about it. He's being made out to be some hero that stood up to a big bad wolf, but to me he's just shown himself to be a backstabber.

The cynic in me would say that James thought everything was going great for himself, he'd given his good guy moralistic reasons for nominations, he had some housemates siding with him and possibly the public, Ausin had just lost the plot with Janice and handed any chance of a win away making it even more likely public were on James side, so: Austin looking terrible and James looking pretty good.

Then out of the blue Austin emerges from the diaryroom in floods of tears, a sobbing remorseful wreck and instantly gets comforted by James' earlier supporter Bobby, then Natasha and Sherrie also join in comforting Austin too. Suddenly it's not so clear cut as Austin = 'all bad' and James = ' good'. IF James had done his nomination for tactical\gameplaying reasons then Austin having a breakdown in tears could have thrown off his game for a bit. The delay in his reaction could have been him thinking 'how will I play this, forgive and befriend again or cut all ties with him at this point because of my 'morals'?' - before he eventually just followed the lead of the other housemates...

OR maybe he was just annoyed because Austin had just called him a ball-less something or other, had that row with Janice and he was still too angry with Austin at first to respond?

Neither of these possibilities would surprise me...

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Still not true. They were close friends in the house. Unsurprising really when you spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week together.

Nariner only lasted 3 weeks and was still able to build a close friendship with Brian, for instance.

disagree.........anyone who thinks you become best friends in the space of a couple of weeks, cooped up together under unnatural circumstances will be bitterly disappointed - I mean, look at that disgrace of an adult Austin - he thought he could be best friends and look what happened to him when reality hit him.

any friendship will develop OUTSIDE the fake environment - not inside.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

disagree.........anyone who thinks you become best friends in the space of a couple of weeks, cooped up together under unnatural circumstances will be bitterly disappointed - I mean, look at that disgrace of an adult Austin - he thought he could be best friends and look what happened to him when reality hit him.

any friendship will develop OUTSIDE the fake environment - not inside.

That's because the friendship is fake (for James).

To build a close friendship both people have to be sincere about it.

[joeysteele]

You can become best friends quickly, they are in the house 24 hours a day every day and so it is easy to get close spending that much time together.

Army and other forces spending time fighting together and for long periods, they then form very close bonds that last a lifetime.

At Uni,I spent a lot of time with people I had never met before who after a short time, became what I would call friends and they will likely remain friends for the rest of my life now hopefully too.

Being stuck in a house with people, for weeks on end, as is the case with the BB house, day and night for 24 hours must speed that process up, either as to getting close or in a negative way too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pink Pegasus

The cynic in me would say that James thought everything was going great for himself, he'd given his good guy moralistic reasons for nominations, he had some housemates siding with him and possibly the public, Ausin had just lost the plot with Janice and handed any chance of a win away making it even more likely public were on James side, so: Austin looking terrible and James looking pretty good.

Then out of the blue Austin emerges from the diaryroom in floods of tears, a sobbing remorseful wreck and instantly gets comforted by James' earlier supporter Bobby, then Natasha and Sherrie also join in comforting Austin too. Suddenly it's not so clear cut as Austin = 'all bad' and James = ' good'. IF James had done his nomination for tactical\gameplaying reasons then Austin having a breakdown in tears could have thrown off his game for a bit. The delay in his reaction could have been him thinking 'how will I play this, forgive and befriend again or cut all ties with him at this point because of my 'morals'?' - before he eventually just followed the lead of the other housemates...

OR maybe he was just annoyed because Austin had just called him a ball-less something or other, had that row with Janice and he was still too angry with Austin at first to respond?

Neither of these possibilities would surprise me...

Love reading your posts Peggy I completely agree with the first two paragraphs

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by MrWong

That's because the friendship is fake (for James).

To build a close friendship both people have to be sincere about it.

its not really for EITHER of them. austin is too thick to realise that - even though James has tried to tell him numerous times - to his face - but he still doesn't get it.

[downthechippie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You can become best friends quickly, they are in the house 24 hours a day every day and so it is easy to get close spending that much time together.

Army and other forces spending time fighting together and for long periods, they then form very close bonds that last a lifetime.

At Uni,I spent a lot of time with people I had never met before who after a short time, became what I would call friends and they will likely remain friends for the rest of my life now hopefully too.

Being stuck in a house with people, for weeks on end, as is the case with the BB house, day and night for 24 hours must speed that process up, either as to getting close or in a negative way too.

I agree. Austin felt this way too. James on the other hand, seems to have no such natural human instincts and only says and acts in ways that he feels will endear him to the public and put him on the moral highground.

I felt for Austin when James told him that there was no closeness, not really. I imagine that would be very hurtful to someone who feels a strong friendship bond. Like a slap in the face.

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You can become best friends quickly, they are in the house 24 hours a day every day and so it is easy to get close spending that much time together.

Army and other forces spending time fighting together and for long periods, they then form very close bonds that last a lifetime.

At Uni,I spent a lot of time with people I had never met before who after a short time, became what I would call friends and they will likely remain friends for the rest of my life now hopefully too.

Being stuck in a house with people, for weeks on end, as is the case with the BB house, day and night for 24 hours must speed that process up, either as to getting close or in a negative way too.

its not weeks on end - its three weeks so far...ive been on longer holidays -

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by downthechippie

I agree. Austin felt this way too. James on the other hand, seems to have no such natural human instincts and only says and acts in ways that he feels will endear him to the public and put him on the moral highground.

I felt for Austin when James told him that there was no closeness, not really. I imagine that would be very hurtful to someone who feels a strong friendship bond. Like a slap in the face.

austin is responsible for his own actions and thoughts - just because he thinks he has found a new best friend does not mean that his target has to go along with it. James has tried to explain to him about a real friendship vs a reality show friendship but he's too thick to get it. That's not James fault - thats austins fault - maybe if he stopped ranting, closed his one big mouth and opened this two small ears and listen to what people are saying he might start to just about get the difference of a real friendship vs getting on with someone in a gameshow ... but I won't hold out any hope - he' doesn't seem like he's the full shilling to me.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by downthechippie

For many of us true bb fans, it is more the psychology of the housemates that draws us in. You are right that for many, most?, it is 'just a gameshow'. For us diehards it is a chance to analyse personalities, try to get some understanding of how people do what they do. Try to make sense of human relationships. For me, it is more than just a game show. I wouldn't bother watching it otherwise.

When I get to see how these characters react to different situations, of course I make judgements.

If someone is 'playing the game' and getting their housemates to like them, and trying to get the public to like them - I THINK i can usually see through it.

My assessment of James is that he is not a man of substance. He would sell his own grandmother down the river if it meant advancement for himself. That's just my assessment.

Austin, I'm not too keen on, but at least he seems to have a streak of uncompromising realness, even to the extent of causing disharmony, arguments, and pain for himself and others. He will not compromise if he feels strongly about something.

I have to admire that.

die hard true bb fans know the show has been ****ed for years,because you get force fed ****e daily.

[downthechippie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

die hard true bb fans know the show has been ****ed for years,because you get force fed ****e daily.

That's true, but even though there is so much manipulation and direction by bb, it is still fun to see how the characters play out and react. they are either driven by ego, money or a desperate attempt to regain popularity. Sad really.

[jet]

Originally Posted by downthechippie

I agree. Austin felt this way too. James on the other hand, seems to have no such natural human instincts and only says and acts in ways that he feels will endear him to the public and put him on the moral highground.

I felt for Austin when James told him that there was no closeness, not really. I imagine that would be very hurtful to someone who feels a strong friendship bond. Like a slap in the face.

But that's not what James said. Austin had said 'we know each other pretty well' and James said 'No, we don't really know each other', which is perfectly reasonable. It takes a long time to get to know someone properly. He didn't say ''there is no closeness' or we aren't friends. Different thing.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

its not really for EITHER of them. austin is too thick to realise that - even though James has tried to tell him numerous times - to his face - but he still doesn't get it.

We will have to agree to disagree I'm afraid.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by downthechippie

I understand exactly what you are saying Mystic, because loyalty is high up on my list of qualities. Sadly, many people don't seem to put much store by it - as demonstrated on this very thread.

What James did to Austin was spiteful, hurtful, designed to eliminate. You don't do that to 'friends'.

But I think that James is the sort of person who goes about his life, very charming and friendly, on the surface a pleasant person - but underneath he is something else. He has no substance or moral compass.

I would say that the most hurtful people are not those who shout or swear, but those who say things 'in the nicest possible way', calmly and with the pretence of doing it for your own good, while really putting in the psychological knife.

Give me a 'shouter' any day of the week.

I don't think blind
Loyalty is worth having. I'd have had less respect for James if he just went along with Austin on everything, even when Austin says unacceptable things.

[Patricia4]

Who can agree with Austin if he's a mate or not Austin is vile he was nasty to Chloe he's had a go at Bobby he fell out with Farrah he tried a argument with Stevi he mad mouthed Jenna then he's been at Janice all the way through the show.
James did the right thing he knew that Austin was a nasty piece of crap.

[downthechippie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think blind
Loyalty is worth having. I'd have had less respect for James if he just went along with Austin on everything, even when Austin says unacceptable things.

oh, I too would have respected James if he had told Austin straight that he was totally pissed off with his attitude, so much so that it was affecting his feelings of friendship towards him. What jars with me, is the way he ca\vorts with Austin, all the banter and closeness, as though they were good friends. All this talk of people not getting close in a few weeks is just not true. People can get very very close in a few weeks if they are sharing experiences and time and proximity with each other 24/7.

What has made me dislike James is his cold bloodedness. His ability to be emotionally aloof from someone who obviously cares a lot for him - i.e. Austin. James knows how Austin feels about him and James is not being open and honest.

That is not nice.

[downthechippie]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

Who can agree with Austin if he's a mate or not Austin is vile he was nasty to Chloe he's had a go at Bobby he fell out with Farrah he tried a argument with Stevi he mad mouthed Jenna then he's been at Janice all the way through the show.
James did the right thing he knew that Austin was a nasty piece of crap.

If James told Austin that he thought he was a 'nasty piece of crap', then I'd have respect for James. Instead James pretends to like Austin. Says he is nominating him 'for his own good' type thing.

That's what makes James a rather low-life character. in my opinion.

[jet]

I think Austin is quite obsessed with James who on the other hand sees (or did see) Austin as someone to hang out and have fun with - and they did have fun together and got on well. I think James began to feel uncomfortable when the married Austin started behaving inappropriately towards him. James could have made a big deal out of it but he handled the 'situations' when they arose brilliantly. imo Austin reads far more into their relationship than actually exists (whether its sexual or just friendship) and I think the public have bought into it and has seen them as some devoted, inseparable pair who have to be loyal to each other no matter what.
James has said Austin is his best friend in the house which means just that - he simply gets on with him best and that is it, no more, no less. He has no reason to keep quiet about Austin's treatment of an older lady and if it had been anyone else doing the same thing he would have spoken up just the same.
Remember he got at Farrah as well for the way she spoke to people. He may come across as a bit sanctimonious at times but I think that is due to the fact he was brought up by his grandparents and his views could be seen nowadays as 'old - fashioned' - like respect for your elders etc. I for one think it is quite refreshing.