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Ramsay · 22-09-2015, 12:54 PM

Pretty much shows how easy cold reading is to people that have mastered it. It pisses me off because if someone had genuine "psychic" power, why charge for it? especially why charge such ridiculous amounts? I get so angry just thinking about it

Northern Monkey · 22-09-2015, 01:12 PM

To me there are no 'fake' and 'genuine' mediums and psychics,They all fall into the same category.....con artists.
If people wanna throw money at them for some piece of mind or whatever and treat it like therapy then that's fine if it helps them.I never would.I'd prefer to see an actual trained therapist if i needed it.
There is a worry that mentally vulnerable people are getting the wool pulled over their eyes though which is not cool.

rubymoo · 22-09-2015, 01:15 PM

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Pretty much shows how easy cold reading is to people that have mastered it. It pisses me off because if someone had genuine "psychic" power, why charge for it? especially why charge such ridiculous amounts? I get so angry just thinking about it

It makes me angry too.

A friend of mine has been going to a local spiritual church and she's convinced or believes that she's communicating with spirit, i once held a fascination for psychics and the like but now it's becoming apparent that these people are all fakes, my friend tries to read me everytime she sees me, she'll often say 'can you take that?' or 'does that make sense' or 'this may not be important now but it will be later' it's all just bull**** from her, and it makes me cross because she thinks she knows me, my feelings, my past and my future like she's some sort of link to wherever! Safe to say she's alienated me from our friendship and i just give her a wide berth now.

Crimson Dynamo · 22-09-2015, 01:22 PM

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I've got mixed feelings about this and I'll explain why.

Today I chatted to a close friend who recently went through something absolutely devastating. She had therapy but that didn't seem to help. Its very unlike her but she decided to go and see a medium a few weeks ago and since then her spirits have lifted. The medium didn't offer her a solution but she did tell my friend that her grandmother was watching over her and guarding her.

From what she has told me, it sounds like this particular medium just gave her something that she desperately needs right now. Maybe her grandmother is with her, maybe she's not but if her belief helps her, then in my opinion, that has to be good don't you think?

There is so much we don't know, don't understand and for that reason I prefer to keep an open mind about such things.

what the medium did was prey on her and extort money from her. Its disgusting. She preyed on human wishful thinking.

The dead person is dead, does not exist and cannot comeback, ever.

What she needs is time to grieve and come to terms with a very natural thing - what she does not need is some conperson taking money from her and talking 6 kinds of bollocks

utterly vile

kirklancaster · 22-09-2015, 01:48 PM

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what the medium did was prey on her and extort money from her. Its disgusting. She preyed on human wishful thinking.

The dead person is dead, does not exist and cannot comeback, ever.

What she needs is time to grieve and come to terms with a very natural thing - what she does not need is some conperson taking money from her and talking 6 kinds of bollocks

utterly vile

kirklancaster · 22-09-2015, 01:50 PM

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Youtube video

Pretty much shows how easy cold reading is to people that have mastered it. It pisses me off because if someone had genuine "psychic" power, why charge for it? especially why charge such ridiculous amounts? I get so angry just thinking about it

100% correct Ramsay. I actually am quite good at 'cold reading' and do it for a laugh at parties but these crooks that claim powers just so they can get rich are scum.

DemolitionRed · 22-09-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what the medium did was prey on her and extort money from her. Its disgusting. She preyed on human wishful thinking.

The dead person is dead, does not exist and cannot comeback, ever.

What she needs is time to grieve and come to terms with a very natural thing - what she does not need is some conperson taking money from her and talking 6 kinds of bollocks

utterly vile

Possibly but then what about that big money making industry called the church? I don't see much difference between this and a minister saying comforting words like "never forget the power of prayer" or "Jesus is always with you, you just need to allow him into your heart"

We don't know if Jesus is always with us. Its never been proved or disproved. If we were to offer a million quid to someone who could categorically prove that Jesus was always with us, would someone come forward with tangible evidence?

lostalex · 22-09-2015, 02:30 PM

i downloaded it, and i enjoyed it! thanks for recommending it!

i especially loved that they had 2 of my favorite people commenting, adam savage from myth busters and penn from penn and teller.

great movie, and i'm so glad that his husband did'nt get deported.

kirklancaster · 22-09-2015, 02:45 PM

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i downloaded it, and i enjoyed it! thanks for recommending it!

i especially loved that they had 2 of my favorite people commenting, adam savage from myth busters and penn from penn and teller.

great movie, and i'm so glad that his husband did'nt get deported.

Thanks Alex, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I actually was a bit teary about poor James when his husband was taken from him, and I'm so happy it all ended well for them both.

MTVN · 22-09-2015, 02:56 PM

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Kizzy, the problem is, there are more exploitative mediums, psychics and fortune tellers out there than there are genuine ones (or ones who believe they are genuine). My grandmother used to get what she called psychic dreams. I don't know if her dreams really were psychic but she genuinely believed they were.

Telepathy has been proven to be real but it took many, many years of rigorous and repeated experiments to reach this conclusion.

As for psychic phenomenon... just because there's presently a lack of published papers and peer reviews for a scientific theory doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Really? I find that hard to believe

bots · 22-09-2015, 03:04 PM

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Really? I find that hard to believe

i thought i moved you with the power of my posts every day

Crimson Dynamo · 22-09-2015, 03:11 PM

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Really? I find that hard to believe

Its completely untrue

maybe that is why

Crimson Dynamo · 22-09-2015, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Possibly but then what about that big money making industry called the church? I don't see much difference between this and a minister saying comforting words like "never forget the power of prayer" or "Jesus is always with you, you just need to allow him into your heart"

We don't know if Jesus is always with us. Its never been proved or disproved. If we were to offer a million quid to someone who could categorically prove that Jesus was always with us, would someone come forward with tangible evidence?

A minister will not charge you to tell you bollocks

MTVN · 22-09-2015, 03:17 PM

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i thought i moved you with the power of my posts every day

Only arista does that I'm afraid

DemolitionRed · 22-09-2015, 03:47 PM

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A minister will not charge you to tell you bollocks

Does not charging make it alright then? because if so, we have to say its okay for psychics to say their stuff as long as they don't charge either.

Kizzy · 22-09-2015, 03:48 PM

Churches are funded somehow... is that not peddling snake oil too?

Crimson Dynamo · 22-09-2015, 03:56 PM

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Does not charging make it alright then? because if so, we have to say its okay for psychics to say their stuff as long as they don't charge either.

psychics ONLY exist because of charging

DemolitionRed · 22-09-2015, 04:08 PM

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Really? I find that hard to believe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29093700

Brain-to-Brain Communication using non-invasive technology.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...one.0105225#s2

We can scrutinise this all we want but excited scientists are still calling it telepathy.

DemolitionRed · 22-09-2015, 04:19 PM

The church would not exist without its congregation. The church relies heavily on its followers purse. Look at the wealth of the Catholic church; where do you think that money comes from?

I'm not being pedantic here. I remain open minded about psychics, just as I remain open minded about religion. Both of these things are open to scrutiny but nothing can really be proved one way or the other.

Who am I to say if a person finds comfort in God and religiously goes to church every Sunday. The same goes for someone who chooses to find comfort in a psychic.

Would I ever go to see a psychic? No I wouldn't. Would I go to church? only to look at its historic value. The only reason the church exists and the only reason psychics are out there is because of public demand.

Kizzy · 22-09-2015, 04:21 PM

Careful DR you don't want blown minds all over your screen

user104658 · 22-09-2015, 04:21 PM

It's not really all that different to the Church. The amount of money in the Catholic Church for example, is dumbfounding.

The reason individual priests don't go around charging is because they've bought into it themselves, and are really just repeating the tried and tested "stock phrases" on the ground level.

It's like a supernatural pyramid scheme.