[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And Lewis Hamilton is more deserving of a place in the line up than Fury?

He CHEATED during the Australian Grand Prix in 2009.

He CHEATED during his relationship with Nicole Scherzinger.

Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids.

I don't see anyone onjecting to Hamilton being in the contest.

you have no idea what type of father he is

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'It's their culture' isn't an excuse for backwards thinking, also it's offensive to suggest that the entire traveler community is as bigoted as this fool.

Yet it's fine for Muslims to have backwards thinking apparently as you are always defending their right to this and that

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

yes they men all go out and do their 9-5 office jobs..

If you say so!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

I can judge all I like thank you very much, it may be their culture but he's still saying a womans place is in the kitchen or on her back and as a woman I find that offensive whether his wife minds him saying it or not

Just because people have different cultures doesn't mean I have to like or agree with them. What about the practice of female genital mutilation, should I respect that also?

I'm not saying you have to agree with them I'm saying he is entitled to his opinion, I. Not saying it's right but we can't have free speech just for stuff we agree with and no free speech for alternate views, he is not harming me with his views is he harming you?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

you have no idea what type of father he is

Of course I have an idea - from everything I have seen, read and heard over the years from him, his wife, his family and friends, his promoter, and even some of his opponents.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

I'm not saying you have to agree with them I'm saying he is entitled to his opinion, I. Not saying it's right but we can't have free speech just for stuff we agree with and no free speech for alternate views, he is not harming me with his views is he harming you?

All I'm doing is exercising my freedom of speech though by saying he's a **** who doesn't deserve to be awarded any Personality of the year awards........

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Of course I have an idea - from everything I have seen, read and heard over the years from him, his wife, his family and friends, his promoter, and even some of his opponents.

and you think a good father teaches his children that gay people are in cahoots with the devil and that a womans place is either in the kitchen or on their back?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Of course I have an idea - from everything I have seen, read and heard over the years from him, his wife, his family and friends, his promoter, and even some of his opponents.

Most people want more for their daughters than to be a glorified skivvy.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

and you think a good father teaches his children that gay people are in cahoots with the devil and that a womans place is either in the kitchen or on their back?

WHERE did I mention him being a 'GOOD FATHER'?

I said:

"Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids."

There are diverse and many interpretations of being a 'good father' but only one interpretation of the words 'loving' and 'dotes'.

I call a good father someone who works for his kids, sacrifices for his kids, puts his kids first,and does not abuse or sexually abuse his kids.

The fact that Fury might teach his kids chauvinism by example, is mitigated when such chauvinism is the accepted traditional custom among their culture.

The fact that Fury might specifically teach his children homophobia because of of his own extremist religious views is wrong and what stops him justifiably being labelled a 'GOOD FATHER' rather than just a loving doting one - if that is the case - but this has not been alleged nor proved to my knowledge.

If you teach your own kids your own extreme form of atheism and religious intolerance, are you a 'GOOD FATHER' even though you may be a 'loving' and 'doting' one?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

WHERE did I mention him being a 'GOOD FATHER'?

I said:

"Fury might spout bollocks but he is a loving Father and husband who DOTES on his wife and kids."

There are diverse and many interpretations of being a 'good father' but only one interpretation of the words 'loving' and 'dotes'.

I call a good father someone who works for his kids, sacrifices for his kids, puts his kids first,and does not abuse or sexually abuse his kids.

The fact that Fury might teach his kids chauvinism by example, is mitigated when such chauvinism is the accepted traditional custom among their culture.

The fact that Fury might specifically teach his children homophobia because of of his own extremist religious views is wrong and what stops him justifiably being labelled a 'GOOD FATHER' rather than just a loving doting one - if that is the case - but this has not been alleged nor proved to my knowledge.

If you teach your own kids your own extreme form of atheism and religious intolerance, are you a 'GOOD FATHER' even though you may be a 'loving' and 'doting' one?

there is no extreme atheism

we are all atheists

i simply go one more god than you do but we both agree about the 99% of other gods

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Most people want more for their daughters than to be a glorified skivvy.

How can you denigrate Fury's wife in such a way? She is happy and healthy and content and wealthy - thanks to her loving husband.

Surely SHE is a better judge of what SHE wants than you are.

Most non-Gypsy people want more than prostitution, drug addiction, multiple children to different fathers and a freely elected lifetime on benefits for their daughters too, but that is often not the case.

True Gypsies have their own unique culture - and unlike certain cultures which are too many times defended on here - that 'different' culture does not HURT us in any way. Does it?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

there is no extreme atheism

we are all atheists

i simply go one more god than you do but we both agree about the 99% of other gods

Deflection LT. Pedantics. But I am not an Atheist at all. I USED to be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Deflection LT. Pedantics. But I am not an Atheist at all. I USED to be.

So you believe in the Muslim God and the Hindu ones?

Plus all the Greek ones?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

So you believe in the Muslim God and the Hindu ones?

Plus all the Greek ones?

Yep - of couse I do, and the 'One-Eyed Yellow Idol To The North of Kathmandu'.

And I believe you are not winding me up as well.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yep - of couse I do, and the 'One-Eyed Yellow Idol To The North of Kathmandu'.

And I believe you are not winding me up as well.

i am not

like all religionists you think your god is real and the rest are not

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

i am not

like all religionists you think your god is real and the rest are not

Well then, that puts a different slant on things. Suffice it to say that I do not 'think' my God is real, I KNOW he is, and by default, if there is only one TRUE God, then that means every other person of Faith is calling my God by a different name or wasting their time.

Finally, I believe as passionately in the existence of my God as you disbelieve in him.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Yet it's fine for Muslims to have backwards thinking apparently as you are always defending their right to this and that

Proof? Go on. Find me proof. You won't because I've never said anything like that. I would never defend anyone who says the **** that Fury has.

Get your facts right in future because that was a pathetic attempt at trying to drag me.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

gypises have earned their reputation

Some gypsies have earned a reputation for all gypsies. There's a big difference between Roma gypsies and Irish travellers and this programme did little to represent the Roma gypsies.

[Northern Monkey]

Roma Gypsies are the worst.They'll try and sell you some crap or offer you a flower while their kids are pick pocketing you.I've seen it happen.Travel companies warn you about them when you travel into parts of Europe.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Proof? Go on. Find me proof. You won't because I've never said anything like that. I would never defend anyone who says the **** that Fury has.

Get your facts right in future because that was a pathetic attempt at trying to drag me.

I don't need to drag you, you defend Muslims all the time, these would be the same people who if they follow their faith correctly frown on homosexuality, arrange marriages, not allow women to be in the same room as men on certain occasions etc etc similar culture to travellers really

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Some gypsies have earned a reputation for all gypsies. There's a big difference between Roma gypsies and Irish travellers and this programme did little to represent the Roma gypsies.

I absolutely agree Red that - as with most things - SOME cast ALL in a bad light.

[smudgie]

Our local Gypsy spokesman is gay, Oooops, ex spokesman as he is now serving sentence for fraud.
He had a big gay gypsy wedding as well so not all are against being gay.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

I don't need to drag you, you defend Muslims all the time, these would be the same people who if they follow their faith correctly frown on homosexuality, arrange marriages, not allow women to be in the same room as men on certain occasions etc etc similar culture to travellers really

Reading comprehension is important, Cherie.

Saying that I don't believe all Muslims should be accountable for the actions of a few isn't the same as saying that I agree with the practices of the few in question and it's got absolutely nothing to do with you essentially branding travelers as sexist bigots and that that's okay because it's 'part of their culture.'

You must be quite desperate to get one over on me to make such a silly leap of logic.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Our local Gypsy spokesman

Is this a thing??

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Is this a thing??

Hell yeah.
If there is ever any trouble then he send to pop up on the local news.
There is a legal gypsy camp not too far away, never hear about them normally until some trouble flares up.