[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It has also been suggested that without Rhodes - and others like him - South Africans would still be living in mudbrick and rammed earth houses, without sanitation, and in primitive conditions.

I do not need to begin a new thread in which to 'question Mandela's ethics', this is Serious Debates and Mandela is highly relevant to this topic.

Up to now, despite this forum being called Serious Debates, your posts have not countered any of the arguments against this agitator - Rhodes will, Mandela, Shaka Zuklu etc - only ignored them because you have no legitimate counters, and just as one glance at any newspaper will confirm that your subversive black student has lost his argument in the real world, then likewise, even the most cursory of glances through this thread will confirm that you too have lost your argument in support of him on here.

A victory then for common sense and democracy.

What the future held for a south Africa not tainted by colonialists and apartheid we'll never know.
My feeling on the inclusion of Mandela was that without Rhodes and his laws and segregation there would have been no Apartheid and therefore no ANC, therefor it is hard to envisage how one would impact without the others prior influence.

This is serious debates and news, this being news item I commented with my opinion, I don't have to feel I need to compete to share my view.

He had his say, good for him, whether you or I or the media agree he is entitled to state how he feels.