[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I just couldn't go off and have a meal and celebrate with friends knowing my kids were in an unlocked apartment alone, my kids would be beside me having a meal too, or if asleep then we'd have a takeaway.

Yes but they did and they were happy they were safe, their kids their call. I am sure they could look at your parenthood and criticise too.

As I said all the couples deemed it safe and normal. They did not expect an abduction just as you would not expect one in the shops but it does happen

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes but they did and they were happy they were safe, their kids their call. I am sure they could look at your parenthood and criticise too.

As I said all the couples deemed it safe and normal. They did not expect an abduction just as you would not expect one in the shops but it does happen

They may not have expected an abduction but they surely, as parents and as Doctors too, should have known how likely it could be that one of those extremely young children could have had some sort of accident? Or that maddie (who had already told them that she atleast one time when they weren't there had woken up and cried and looked for them), could quite possibly have woken up again and wandered out the unlocked door and had some sort of accident

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes but they did and they were happy they were safe, their kids their call. I am sure they could look at your parenthood and criticise too.

As I said all the couples deemed it safe and normal. They did not expect an abduction just as you would not expect one in the shops but it does happen

I think the only thing i'm guilty of as a parent is over worrying and over mothering, i've never said i were the best parent and they may criticise my style of parenting but i think it were madness for them to leave their kids all of them under 4 years old, in an unlocked apartment out of eyeshot, could you honestly leave your kids in the same situation, did you ever think your kids were/are 100% safe? I know i worry about my kids every minute they aren't with me, they could have used the child-club/babysitting facilities and they chose not too, and yes it was their call and what a call/risk to take for now it has life long repercussions for them for the rest of their lives, i question their common sense if they think/thought it's safe and normal to leave such little ones alone in a foreign country alone in an unsecured apartment to have a meal and drinks with friends, we all make mistakes as parents, but wow, what a mistake to make.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I think the only thing i'm guilty of as a parent is over worrying and over mothering, i've never said i were the best parent and they may criticise my style of parenting but i think it were madness for them to leave their kids all of them under 4 years old, in an unlocked apartment out of eyeshot, could you honestly leave your kids in the same situation, did you ever think your kids were/are 100% safe? I know i worry about my kids every minute they aren't with me, they could have used the child-club/babysitting facilities and they chose not too, and yes it was their call and what a call/risk to take for now it has life long repercussions for them for the rest of their lives, i question their common sense if they think/thought it's safe and normal to leave such little ones alone in a foreign country alone in an unsecured apartment to have a meal and drinks with friends, we all make mistakes as parents, but wow, what a mistake to make.

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

What evidence do you have that a paedophile was involved in any of this?

[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

They were incredibly reckless and stupid also

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

Families of children snatched from the street like Mille Dowler can claim bad luck, this was a preventable abduction

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Families of children snatched from the street like Mille Dowler can claim bad luck, this was a preventable abduction

I agree as far as this

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

You know this how?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You know this how?

It's the conclusion of Scotland yard after a monumental forensic police operation

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It's the conclusion of Scotland yard after a monumental forensic police operation

The one with Gerry McCann efit image as prime suspect?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The one with Gerry McCann efit image as prime suspect?

The prime suspect that the McCanns themselves buried for years too...in order to focus on the person Tanner saw who Redwood decided was an innocent father. Oh dear

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The one with Gerry McCann efit image as prime suspect?

Sorry but the McCann's were never serious suspects

Only online via keyboard detectives

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

I'm sorry LT but i think they were incredibly negligent and put their needs before their childrens.

I know stories like the Ben Needham case are etched into my soul as a warning of what can happen if you aren't watchful and mindful over your children, why on earth would they think their unguarded children were safe?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I'm sorry LT but i think they were incredibly negligent and put their needs before their childrens.

I know stories like the Ben Needham case are etched into my soul as a warning of what can happen if you aren't watchful and mindful over your children, why on earth would they think their unguarded children were safe?

All parents think their kids are safe prior to an abduction

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All parents think their kids are safe prior to an abduction

Most parents wouldn't leave their kids wide open for an abduction like they did though(if that's what you believe occurred)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Most parents wouldn't leave their kids wide open for an abduction like they did though(if that's what you believe occurred)

A child can be snatched in seconds

They were unlucky

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All parents think their kids are safe prior to an abduction

This i can't argue with^^^^

But what made the McCanns think their kids were safe, because in my mind as a parent i'd be thinking that one of them could be sick and choke on their vomit, Maddie could fall out of bed and hit her head then be crying for a mum and dad that aren't there (as she's cried a previous night), to know your child is crying for you and you aren't there is a heartbreaking thought, Maddie could wander into a nearby room and injure herself in that room, there are so many things that can happen to really small ones, so what made them think they were safe, maybe the medication they gave them made them have a certain amount of safety knowing that the likelihood of the kids waking up were minimal, maybe they'd done this before on a previous holiday and it gave them false confidence, what i do know is that the regular parent would not leave children so small unguarded in a foreign country in an unsecured apartment whilst out having fun with friends.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

This i can't argue with^^^^

But what made the McCanns think their kids were safe, because in my mind as a parent i'd be thinking that one of them could be sick and choke on their vomit, Maddie could fall out of bed and hit her head then be crying for a mum and dad that aren't there (as she's cried a previous night), to know your child is crying for you and you aren't there is a heartbreaking thought, Maddie could wander into a nearby room and injure herself in that room, there are so many things that can happen to really small ones, so what made them think they were safe, maybe the medication they gave them made them have a certain amount of safety knowing that the likelihood of the kids waking up were minimal, maybe they'd done this before on a previous holiday and it gave them false confidence, what i do know is that the regular parent would not leave children so small unguarded in a foreign country in an unsecured apartment whilst out having fun with friends.

To make this even worse..one of the kids WAS actually ill, with diarrhea and vomitting and was still left alone. Not a McCann child mind, one of the other neglectful doctors of the group who left their kids alone to get pissed. They knew the kid was ill and still did it.

Beggars belief really. But no doubt this is also normal, fine and done all of the time...unless thats reserved only for two of the disgusting group.