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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Unfortunately, your comments above are sadly correct, Truth.

Most posts from the 'Remain' supporters on here are just repetitions of the same unsubstantiated, tired pro-EU propaganda and sweeping false statements without a grain of truth.

They remind me of the scene from The Wizard of Oz' where The Cowardly Lion keeps repeating the line; "I DO believe in spooks. I DO believe in spooks. I do I do I do".

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Unsubstantiated you say, surprised at you Kirk.
By the way that cowardly lion in wizard of oz got what he wanted and triumphed in the end.

Are you definitely saying there are institutions around the World who back the UK leaving, financial or otherwise. Pray enlighten us.

Are you saying that NATO has 'not' said it would be better for the UK to be in the EU.

Are you saying the USA, China and India and any other Nations who have expressed a view are saying the UK should leave the EU.

Are you saying the UK is not successful and are you then confidently predicting that the UK 'will' do the same or better out the EU for sure.

Instead of rubbishing what others say, enlighten us to who we will do deals with and what deals they have said they will even just look to give us.
Will we definitely not have to accept in part or full, free movement of EU citizens as Norway and Switzerland do to get a good deal from the EU.

Tell us what will be out of the EU,not what should or could be, but what will be.
That was always the challenge the out side was going to have and I admit it is a hard call for them to do.

If I could genuinely see a list of Nations who have said they definitely will give the UK really lucrative deals once out, if I could hear any financial institutions say the problems would be minimal once out and if I could know for sure a really good deal with the EU was possible and not to have still the free movement of EU citizens.
Then even I would consider voting out if that was presented and was able to be proven.

Are you saying my substantiated fact that none have outlined that scenario is totally wrong.

Are you also really still standing by the £350 million a week figure that the out says we would save and that whole £350milllion could go to the NHS,
Are you really saying I am wrong in that we don't even send the rebate to the EU,which is already gone and used up anyway by the govt.
That the EU does not return funding to regions, businesses and Farmers and that if we leave the EU that will stop.
Are you you still then saying it is actually £350milllion we save a week, when in reality it is more like £175million.
If that even £350million less the rebate would be going to the NHS, are you then saying the funding back from the EU that goes to businesses, farmers and regions will not now be going to those areas because the savings are all pledged to the NHS.
Where then will the money for businesses,regions and farmer be got from after that?

I think you need to assess your own facts before you tell others they are making unsubstantiated claims with respect.
Just why on earth can the out side not just stop rubbishing what anyone they disagree with says and simply answer the repeated questions I have been asking on here and endlessly too off here to the out organisations for weeks now.
Where and who exactly are the Nations who are definitely there and who have said they will give the UK really good trading deals if the UK leaves the EU.
Where are the institutions supporting the out side that the UK will do as well or better if we leave the EU.
Where and when have the EU hierarchy ever stated they would give the UK a good trading terms deal and not expect the free movement of EU citizens to still take place.

While I concede and have done all through, that the in side is wrong in this campaign too and that they have over exaggerated figures.
I put what is obvious to me and many others as to how I see the EU.

Yet you say I am wrong so please then enlighten us with proper backed up answers to the questions I asked above.in the questions I put to you above.

Because quite honestly it astounds me you cannot.
That worries me as to why the out side will not, if they are the only ones totally right in this and everyone else in the UK who wants to stay in and almost everyone else around the world who is expressing a view on this when asked,is totally wrong.

Yes I am likely rambling to you again but then I have read a lot of possible rambling on this thread and not just from the in side either.