[Ashsleigh]

I can't really say how I'd feel about someone killing my mother because I haven't been in that situation but I agree with Mokka, it may well be possible to forgive someone who has done the worst of things. I have known many instances where people have strongly expressed a desire to meet murderers of their close friends or family members despite all objections, to gain perspective and understanding and perhaps, down the line, forgive them.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I can't really say how I'd feel about someone killing my mother because I haven't been in that situation but I agree with Mokka, it may well be possible to forgive someone who has done the worst of things. I have known many instances where people have strongly expressed a desire to meet murderers of their close friends or family members despite all objections, to gain perspective and understanding and perhaps, down the line, forgive them.

Well they're better people than I am because there's no way in hell I'd forgive someone like that

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well they're better people than I am because there's no way in hell I'd forgive someone like that

Proving forgiveness is personal, subjective and dependent on circumstance for all of us

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Proving forgiveness is personal, subjective and dependent on circumstance for all of us

What do you mean by "proving forgiveness"?

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What do you mean by "proving forgiveness"?

proving that forgiveness is...

My meaning is that everyone has strong personal feelings and standards about what is forgivable and not... and how forgiveness is used in their lives

I know I have people I have never forgiven
I have people I have forgiven and still don't allow back into my life in the same manner as before
And I have people I will probably always forgive no matter what they do

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Mokka

proving that forgiveness is...

My meaning is that everyone has strong personal feelings and standards about what is forgivable and not... and how forgiveness is used in their lives

I know I have people I have never forgiven
I have people I have forgiven and still don't allow back into my life in the same manner as before
And I have people I will probably always forgive no matter what they do

I still don't get what you mean about proving forgiveness

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still don't get what you mean about proving forgiveness

And I don't get what you are asking

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I can't really say how I'd feel about someone killing my mother because I haven't been in that situation.

You could probably have a reasonable stab in the dark at it though, no? You might find maybe you in fact are capable of hate. I believe outside some serious transcendental guruism or existentialist martydom we practically all are. The potential for it seems hardwired into our psyches far too deeply. Maybe most of us can be lucky enough not to seriously tap into it too much but I feel to deny the idea that I am capable of hate is to circumnavigate my own humanity.

Angels are quite dull and certainly imaginary. As for forgiveness I guess I discern on my own terms like with everything. I'll suffer friends for a long time but won't turn the cheek for a fool.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Stu

You could probably have a reasonable stab in the dark at it though, no? You might find maybe you in fact are capable of hate. I believe outside some serious transcendental guruism or existentialist martydom we practically all are. The potential for it seems hardwired into our psyches far too deeply. Maybe most of us can be lucky enough not to seriously tap into it too much but I feel to deny the idea that I am capable of hate is to circumnavigate my own humanity.

Angels are quite dull and certainly imaginary. As for forgiveness I guess I discern on my own terms like with everything. I'll suffer friends for a long time but won't turn the cheek for a fool.

..I agree with you...I think that if we're capable of love, then we're also capable of hate..(and as a parent, I know the love that I'm capable of feeling..)... and if we find that we can forgive (in certain situations..)..then we would also find situations that we couldn't find forgiveness in../not ever..I don't believe you can have one without the other, it's just that we may never have (yet) experienced those situations in our lives....


..hey by the way, it's lovely to see you../I hope you're well and good....