[joeysteele]

For me the proof of regret as to an offending against another is that the person who offended really is sincere in making amends and really sorry for offending in any way.

Proof of forgiveness as by my own standards of forgiveness,would be that if you say you have forgiven you go on as you were before with the person you were offended by.

If they act differently after an apology and being forgiven, then they were likely not sorry in the first place possibly.
If I say I forgive someone but then I do not restore how we were with each other before the offending issue, then I have not likely really forgiven either.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For me the proof of regret as to an offending against another is that the person who offended really is sincere in making amends and really sorry for offending in any way.

Proof of forgiveness as by my own standards of forgiveness,would be that if you say you have forgiven you go on as you were before with the person you were offended by.

If they act differently after an apology and being forgiven, then they were likely not sorry in the first place possibly.
If I say I forgive someone but then I do not restore how we were with each other before the offending issue, then I have not likely really forgiven either.

Actions speak louder than words and all that Joey? I'm a big believer in that phrase

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For me the proof of regret as to an offending against another is that the person who offended really is sincere in making amends and really sorry for offending in any way.

Proof of forgiveness as by my own standards of forgiveness,would be that if you say you have forgiven you go on as you were before with the person you were offended by.

If they act differently after an apology and being forgiven, then they were likely not sorry in the first place possibly.
If I say I forgive someone but then I do not restore how we were with each other before the offending issue, then I have not likely really forgiven either.

I disagree with the last statement.
I can forgive someone, not hold a grudge or hate or malice towards them... And truly want the best for them...but not want to go forward in any type of personal relationship with them.
A case may be where a couple separate or divorce in an amicable fashion

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I disagree with the last statement.
I can forgive someone, not hold a grudge or hate or malice towards them... And truly want the best for them...but not want to go forward in any type of personal relationship with them.
A case may be where a couple separate or divorce in an amicable fashion

Absolutely,I respect that and your last statement is a strong point and very valid.

I said it was just my own way of assessing forgiveness and indeed true contrition from any offending me too.

I just feel if I was close to someone who really offended me,and they really apologised and I believed they meant the apology too, to the point where I said I had forgiven them.
Just again, and only speaking from my own feeling on forgiveness,If I then treat them differently from how we were before,I myself would feel I had not really forgiven them.