[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

I don't think ive ever heard such nonsense lol
we could have our own points system like every other nation
controlled borders, catch illegal immigrants
encourage legal people with skills but also have no space for legitimate assylm seekers
also wed be allowed to bring in anyone we like from outside the EU cartel

We can bring in anyone from outside the EU now and indeed do,over 150,000 of them in the last year.

You are correct we could have a points system, could being the operative word, it is not a certainty and will in fact depend on what the EU demands from us as to any trading deal.
They are not just going to fall over and give us anything we want.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We can bring in anyone from outside the EU now and indeed do,over 150,000 of them in the last year.

You are correct we could have a points system, could being the operative word, it is not a certainty and will in fact depend on what the EU demands from us as to any trading deal.
They are not just going to fall over and give us anything we want.

theyre irrelevant to those decisions. what you also fail to factor is brexit will hurt those unelected crooks. it will see heads roll and the whole farce will simply have to become more realitstic and more democratic and accountable. heck if they manage to get rid of the crooks and the 109 billion missing euros and actually get their accounts passed and get youth unemployment to below 40% one day we the most successful nation in Europe may consider rejoining a new Europe...my heart bleeds for the greeks the italians, the portugueses and millions of other dirt poor eu members absolutely ensvaled to the eu leaders and merkel in particular, who is allowed to run germany and the eu simultaneously...lol talk about conflict of interests...the whole thing will sink regardless.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

theyre irrelevant to those decisions. what you also fail to factor is brexit will hurt those unelected crooks. it will see heads roll and the whole farce will simply have to become more realitstic and more democratic and accountable. heck if they manage to get rid of the crooks and the 109 billion missing euros and actually get their accounts passed and get youth unemployment to below 40% one day we the most successful nation in Europe may consider rejoining a new Europe...my heart bleeds for the greeks the italians, the portugueses and millions of other dirt poor eu members absolutely ensvaled to the eu leaders and merkel in particular, who is allowed to run germany and the eu simultaneously...lol talk about conflict of interests...the whole thing will sink regardless.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We can bring in anyone from outside the EU now and indeed do,over 150,000 of them in the last year.

You are correct we could have a points system, could being the operative word, it is not a certainty and will in fact depend on what the EU demands from us as to any trading deal.
They are not just going to fall over and give us anything we want.

So being out of the EU won't change a thing, do you think brexiteers know this?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So being out of the EU won't change a thing, do you think brexiteers know this?

We will be able to CHOOSE who we want/need from anywhere on the globe whilst keeping immigration numbers sensible.Doctors,technicians,refugees etc etc.Rather than thousands of strawberry pickers,cleaners or benefits migrants who end up getting benefits to top up their incomes.We will have less unemployed as the people we select will be skilled and targeted for the areas they are needed and more jobs for us.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

We will be able to CHOOSE who we want/need from anywhere on the globe whilst keeping immigration numbers sensible.Doctors,technicians,refugees etc etc.Rather than thousands of strawberry pickers,cleaners or benefits migrants who end up getting benefits to top up their incomes.We will have less unemployed as the people we select will be skilled and targeted for the areas they are needed and more jobs for us.

You don't know this.... that would be dependent on some points system that isn't even suggested anywhere is it?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You don't know this.... that would be dependent on some points system that isn't even suggested anywhere is it?

Well it has actually been suggested.By the party that brought about this referendum in the first place but i cba to get into the rights and wrongs of UKIP.
I think an Australian style points system would be an excellent idea.Even if the governments we have are'nt suggesting it now it is a sensible option and could be taken onboard at a later date.The important thing is......

It would be our choice as a country to employ.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well it has actually been suggested.By the party that brought about this referendum in the first place but i cba to get into the rights and wrongs of UKIP.
I think an Australian style points system would be an excellent idea.Even if the governments we have are'nt suggesting it now it is a sensible option and could be taken onboard at a later date.The important thing is......

It would be our choice as a country to employ.

It's pure fantasy then?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's pure fantasy then?

I feel it will be necessary in the not too distant future.The people in power will have to drag their heads out of the sand eventually.It's just a question of when.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So being out of the EU won't change a thing, do you think brexiteers know this?

it will change a lot for those poor people still in this corrupt illegal cartel

it will enable us to do what we like trade all over the world let in who we want when we want and yes it will also help us allow some of the REAL desperate genuine refugees not zillions of illegal immigrants , many of whom bring no skills and refuse to integrate...some also are serious criminals and some are potential terrorists. if we select who we want we can bring in thousands of fantastic hard working people, we can vet those illegal people and we can help the real victims. oh and we can look after british people too who have paid into the system their whole lives. or is looking after our fellow brits now considered racist too?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So being out of the EU won't change a thing, do you think brexiteers know this?

Probably they do Kizzy but maybe do not want to acknowledge that fact.

We had a nett migration of 334,000 last year of which only 184,000 were from the EU.

If we come out of the EU and firmly refuse to do any deal with the EU that involves the free movement of EU citizens, then we would be able to stop people coming from the EU to the UK.

If that is, and for me it is a mighty big 'if' but also in my view probably impossible we could get any trading deal with the EU,where all the other 27 EU members would give us said deal, without the insistence of free movement of EU citizens.

Hypothetically,If I personally was one of the heads of those other 27 EU Nations we would be leaving behind in the EU.
I would not be looking to give the UK any easy deal whatsoever.

I frankly in that scenario, would not even be bothered likely what happened to the UK, and would hope most or even all the foreign investment there is in the UK would be moved to mainland Europe after the UK left too.

The full and real duty of the EU hierarchy will be to do the best for, and satisfy, the remaining EU member Nations, not run after a Nation 'choosing' to run away.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Probably they do Kizzy but maybe do not want to acknowledge that fact.

We had a nett migration of 334,000 last year of which only 184,000 were from the EU.

If we come out of the EU and firmly refuse to do any deal with the EU that involves the free movement of EU citizens, then we would be able to stop people coming from the EU to the UK.

If that is, and for me it is a mighty big 'if' but also in my view probably impossible we could get any trading deal with the EU,where all the other 27 EU members would give us said deal, without the insistence of free movement of EU citizens.

Hypothetically,If I personally was one of the heads of those other 27 EU Nations we would be leaving behind in the EU.
I would not be looking to give the UK any easy deal whatsoever.

I frankly in that scenario, would not even be bothered likely what happened to the UK, and would hope most or even all the foreign investment there is in the UK would be moved to mainland Europe after the UK left too.

The full and real duty of the EU hierarchy will be to do the best for, and satisfy, the remaining EU member Nations, not run after a Nation 'choosing' to run away.

Then if you were the head of one of those 27 nations you would be massively losing out on a massive market for your country.
Those heads of state want and need a good deal with us and won't cut off their noses to spite their face.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Then if you were the head of one of those 27 nations you would be massively losing out on a massive market for your country.
Those heads of state want and need a good deal with us and won't cut off their noses to spite their face.

This is where you and I differ strongly on this one,I see the UK as the one cutting off its nose to spite its face by leaving.
Which is why I am not taking that risk and will vote to remain.

If however as to your point, I was one of those 27 heads of an EU member remaining, I would take that risk and refuse to ratify any deal for the UK that did not insist on the UK accepting the free movement of EU citizens.
That would then be the UKs choice to make.

Even if we do leave however, I do in fact believe ayway that the UK govt in negotiation for a deal,will accept the free movement of EU citizens, saying that was the only way to get a substantial and good deal for the UK in the end.

There is not going to be any other referendum asking the UK voters again if they want to accept the negotiated deal made by the govt after an exit vote.
That decision will be the govts and the govts alone.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is where you and I differ strongly on this one,I see the UK as the one cutting off its nose to spite its face by leaving.
Which is why I am not taking that risk and will vote to remain.

If however as to your point, I was one of those 27 heads of an EU member remaining, I would take that risk and refuse to ratify any deal for the UK that did not insist on the UK accepting the free movement of EU citizens.
That would then be the UKs choice to make.

Even if we do leave however, I do in fact believe ayway that the UK govt in negotiation for a deal,will accept the free movement of EU citizens, saying that was the only way to get a substantial and good deal for the UK in the end.

There is not going to be any other referendum asking the UK voters again if they want to accept the negotiated deal made by the govt after an exit vote.
That decision will be the govts and the govts alone.

Even if the government in power does'nt think that migration is too high now.At the rate it's coming it's not going to be all that long until we as a country have to put the brakes on or atleast take control of the numbers.This tiny island has its limits.Atleast out of the EU we have the option to do that when the sh1t really does hit the fan and one government will have to do that,It is inevitable.It's going to happen.As an EU member we are impotent to do anything.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Even if the government in power does'nt think that migration is too high now.At the rate it's coming it's not going to be all that long until we as a country have to put the brakes on or atleast take control of the numbers.This tiny island has its limits.Atleast out of the EU we have the option to do that when the sh1t really does hit the fan and one government will have to do that,It is inevitable.It's going to happen.As an EU member we are impotent to do anything.

NM if your reasons for voting to leave the EU hinge on migration levels, I'd humbly (since I'm a humble fellow) suggest that you've been mislead and will be disappointed (in the event of Brexit, when it has little impact on migration). If you have other solid reasons for wanting out of the EU, if you just think that on balance it's the right way to go, then that's one thing... but so many people are letting their thinking regarding the referrendum hinge on migration and it's a complete red herring.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Probably they do Kizzy but maybe do not want to acknowledge that fact.

We had a nett migration of 334,000 last year of which only 184,000 were from the EU.

If we come out of the EU and firmly refuse to do any deal with the EU that involves the free movement of EU citizens, then we would be able to stop people coming from the EU to the UK.

If that is, and for me it is a mighty big 'if' but also in my view probably impossible we could get any trading deal with the EU,where all the other 27 EU members would give us said deal, without the insistence of free movement of EU citizens.

Hypothetically,If I personally was one of the heads of those other 27 EU Nations we would be leaving behind in the EU.
I would not be looking to give the UK any easy deal whatsoever.

I frankly in that scenario, would not even be bothered likely what happened to the UK, and would hope most or even all the foreign investment there is in the UK would be moved to mainland Europe after the UK left too.

The full and real duty of the EU hierarchy will be to do the best for, and satisfy, the remaining EU member Nations, not run after a Nation 'choosing' to run away.

That's petty self defeatist self destructive and would bankrupt the eu even more lol
Don't you get it the eu is bust