[user104658]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Yet he did the same thing again and again, despite the fact that he must have been able to see how much he was upsetting everyone and that they were telling him this.

An apology really doesn't mean anything if you then repeat the behaviour, and if you repeat the behaviour that is hurting others, in my opinion, it doesn't seem that you are truly bothered at all about their genuine feelings.

He wasn't hurting them though. He was irritating them / annoying them / making them angry, yes, and even making their time in there somewhat miserable... but can you give me an example of him getting truly hurtful or personal? Did he ever comment on how anyone looked, or really attack aspects of anyone's character? Renee, Aubrey and Frankie said much more genuinely hurtful things in there... And not just about Bear and Co, but about others supposedly on "their side".

In fact when it was obvious that people WERE getting genuinely upset - not just annoyed but really emotional - he backed off fast almost every time. He was often the FIRST to jump up when things stopped being a game and got a bit "too real" such as between Heavy and Lewis - which on at least two separate occasions could easily have kicked off more seriously if he hadn't put himself in the middle .

I genuinely think people are blinded by how irritated they have been by him. I can see why he's "marmite" and why people might not have enjoyed the effect he's had on the show but if you actually watch in an unbiased way, there is honestly no real malice in him at all. There HAVE been many truly nasty housemates in the past, and he doesn't even compare.

There was an obvious weak target in there for a bully. Katie. Emotionally all over the place and right on the edge from near the start. Bear mainly stayed well clear of her because he knew she couldn't handle it... And in the end it was her "friends" who broke her. That speaks volumes, in my opinion.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He wasn't hurting them though. He was irritating them / annoying them / making them angry, yes, and even making their time in there somewhat miserable... but can you give me an example of him getting truly hurtful or personal? Did he ever comment on how anyone looked, or really attack aspects of anyone's character? Renee, Aubrey and Frankie said much more genuinely hurtful things in there... And not just about Bear and Co, but about others supposedly on "their side".

In fact when it was obvious that people WERE getting genuinely upset - not just annoyed but really emotional - he backed off fast almost every time. He was often the FIRST to jump up when things stopped being a game and got a bit "too real" such as between Heavy and Lewis - which on at least two separate occasions could easily have kicked off more seriously if he hadn't put himself in the middle .

I genuinely think people are blinded by how irritated they have been by him. I can see why he's "marmite" and why people might not have enjoyed the effect he's had on the show but if you actually watch in an unbiased way, there is honestly no real malice in him at all. There HAVE been many truly nasty housemates in the past, and he doesn't even compare.

There was an obvious weak target in there for a bully. Katie. Emotionally all over the place and right on the edge from near the start. Bear mainly stayed well clear of her because he knew she couldn't handle it... And in the end it was her "friends" who broke her. That speaks volumes, in my opinion.

Wow, what a post.