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Originally Posted by the truth

when will you ever learn...labour want them to work 91 hours, tories want to reduce that to 72 hours

They don't and if you went and talked to Junior Doctors' they would explain it far clearer than I could.

They want to cut the working week true,however still expecting the Junior Doctors to work more as to overtime but at a single rate.
Even as to the old 'unsocial' hours rule that was in place before this contract.

They are actually going to expect Junior Doctors particularly to cover more days, more hours with the same number of Doctors.

It is just not common sense in my view to believe the govt when they say they are reducing Doctors hours,not reducing their pay at all yet will be able to provide longer services daily and the same at weekends.

The govts plans and the holes in their weird logic as to this contract are there to see if looked for.

They are cutting the basic hours and removing the point at where overtime is seen as 'working unsocial' hours, they will still have to do in addition to their set weekly hours.

This plan is going to tire Doctors more, it is not going be a full service at weekends unless they open up many more hours to radiologists, anaesthetists and also more of the social care aspects too.
Doctors are going to have to be there all round the clock, that has to mean they will be juggled from through the week to cover the weekends fully.
That is surely going to more than likely result in errors and oversights through the week.
At present any emergency needed to be done at weekends is done,anything that can easily wait until a weekday is fine.

If the govt were putting in many more Doctors and also Nurses,plus the radiologists and anaesthetists too at weekends,then this plan could have a chance to work.
This contract is doing none of that, all it is doing is on the surface reducing Junior Doctors basic hours, while in reality they will be expected to still work as much if not more but for less.
More hours not less,less on paper but in practice actually more and possibly a lot more.

Tired Doctors will make mistakes.
A 7 day full NHS provision is a good idea but only when the plan is right and includes all the other people in it, that Doctors will need to actually be able to do more at weekends.
Less Junior Doctors through the week,being stretched more in order to cover at weekends, with not the support and all other people needed alongside them to do proper care,which this plan fails to provide miserably, will, I agree with the Junior Doctors, be dangerous to Patients.

On the surface, from the govt presentation, it appears a reasonable contract, however dig really into it and analyse it all, not bits of it,as the Junior Doctors have, then the holes are found bigtime.

The simple thing about it all is, it should never need to be imposed if it really were a good contract, the Consultants, the Nursing staff and all connected with the NHS, despite some of them having misgivings as to the strike action planned, still say it is wrong to impose this contract without the Junior Doctors agreement.

The govt is not expecting Junior Doctors to end up working less hours, they want at least the same at least, but really far more,however for less, with even more stretching of them to cover weekend services too.

What the govt are saying makes no sense at all.