[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And no, in the senses of 'first achievement' for women in any scneario, I do not think 'trans' women should be classed as women. Or else, whats the point in having firsts? When the first 'woman' can be a man?!

I don't mean that to be sneery or anything, but the self-identification rubbish kind of does mean any guy can claim to be the first 'woman' anything.

Either they can be called women or they can't though, regardless of what the situation is. Otherwise a rather long list would need drafting of when they can't be referred to as women, and must be prefixed with 'trans' instead... so as to not offend 'real' women. It's not self identification rubbish, she is legally a woman (and is recognised as one by the army) and I don't see why she should be stripped of her right to be referred to as such just because it might steal someone else's thunder slightly in the future.