[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Mullens123

Strange how people mention tolerance but want to block anyone with a view opposite to their own. As much as I disagree with what Colleen said here I don't see why she isn't entitled to her views. Also she wasn't comparing homosexuality to ISIS, she was just saying if a privately owned business wants to turn away a customer due to feeling whatever they're being asked to do is against their beliefs then they should have that right. Like how a Caribbean music group turned down an event for Winston McKenzie due to disliking the rhetoric used by some UKIP members.

Granted a gay wedding cake is a symbol of love and politics generally isn't, but it's just the same principle of turning away business.

I suppose the problem with it is it isn't a fair comparison because ISIS are a terrorist organisation which is an illegal organisation

A fairer comparison would be if it's ok to say gay marriage is against my beliefs would it also be ok to turn away a cake for an interracial couples wedding because you don't agree with that?

[Mullens123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I suppose the problem with it is it isn't a fair comparison because ISIS are a terrorist organisation which is an illegal organisation

A fairer comparison would be if it's ok to say gay marriage is against my beliefs would it also be ok to turn away a cake for an interracial couples wedding because you don't agree with that?

I completely agree in that her comparison was pretty shoddy. Comparing disapproving of love to disapproving of terrorism is a stretch by any standards, but to me it's just that whole question of free speech. The interracial couple example would've been ideal, and although to me (someone who has had negative reception to being in an interracial relationship) it's an abhorrent view, Id just take my business elsewhere and accept their decision to lose money based on an irrational view. Hanging people out to dry for their views like they did with Winston just isn't the way forward to dealing with this, and it just feels like doing so will fuel even more hatred as it allows these individuals to play the victim. I mean I never thought id say it but I actually felt sorry for Winston by the end of it all, and it really shouldn't have been that way because he's an ass.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Mullens123

I completely agree in that her comparison was pretty shoddy. Comparing disapproving of love to disapproving of terrorism is a stretch by any standards, but to me it's just that whole question of free speech. The interracial couple example would've been ideal, and although to me (someone who has had negative reception to being in an interracial relationship) it's an abhorrent view, Id just take my business elsewhere and accept their decision to lose money based on an irrational view. Hanging people out to dry for their views like they did with Winston just isn't the way forward to dealing with this, and it just feels like doing so will fuel even more hatred as it allows these individuals to play the victim. I mean I never thought id say it but I actually felt sorry for Winston by the end of it all, and it really shouldn't have been that way because he's an ass.

I'm sorry to hear that

I see your points, it's a tough one really

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I suppose the problem with it is it isn't a fair comparison because ISIS are a terrorist organisation which is an illegal organisation

A fairer comparison would be if it's ok to say gay marriage is against my beliefs would it also be ok to turn away a cake for an interracial couples wedding because you don't agree with that?

Was'nt gay marriage also illegal in Ireland at the time of the cake thing?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Was'nt gay marriage also illegal in Ireland at the time of the cake thing?

I was driving along in my car today and I remembered that post for some reason and I was thinking good job nobody clicked onto the fact that gay marriage is illegal in Northern Ireland (still is in fact) Damn you Northern Monkey

I still would consider it different in that, you can be arrested for supporting a terrorist organisation/trying to promote it where as being gay isn't illegal and supporting gay marriage is more of a civil rights matter

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was driving along in my car today and I remembered that post for some reason and I was thinking good job nobody clicked onto the fact that gay marriage is illegal in Northern Ireland (still is in fact) Damn you Northern Monkey

I still would consider it different in that, you can be arrested for supporting a terrorist organisation/trying to promote it where as being gay isn't illegal and supporting gay marriage is more of a civil rights matter

I still think a custom art designer should be free to choose the designs they are willing to do.I know a tattoo shop that won't do any writing.
The cake shop owner didn't refuse to serve the couple because they were gay.Iirc i thought the gay couple had used the shop in the past.It was just the design that they could'nt do as it was against their religion.
I can't stand Coleen btw.I'm not defending her just her right hold her opinions.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I still think a custom art designer should be free to choose the designs they are willing to do.I know a tattoo shop that won't do any writing.
The cake shop owner didn't refuse to serve the couple because they were gay.Iirc i thought the gay couple had used the shop in the past.It was just the design that they could'nt do as it was against their religion.
I can't stand Coleen btw.I'm not defending her just her right hold her opinions.

I suppose it's a more grey area in NI atleast as it isn't legal but if it were here in the South and say a cake shop refused to do a wedding cake for a gay couple I definitely think that would be wrong, imo religious views shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against the laws of the land.