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Old 04-02-2017, 10:26 PM #1
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It's not lazy it's pointing out blatant hypocrisy.
It's not about "not caring about all these other issues".
The post you quoted mentioned the 'Stop the war coalition'.
An obvious anti-western organisation who have been quoted as saying they "oppose the west"
"The real enemy, Mr Nineham informed listeners, is the West: “Everyone who has got a sense of duty for the peace of the planet needs to mobilise everything they can against that and that means opposing the West.”

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Take this quote from 2006 by John Rees, the national officer of Stop the War: “Socialists should unconditionally stand with the oppressed against the oppressor [a STW euphemism for the West], even if the people who run the oppressed country are undemocratic and persecute minorities, like Saddam Hussein.”

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'But in the context of STW’s other leaders, siding with Saddam is almost moderate. Its former chair, Andrew Murray, is a proud Stalinist who on the anniversary of his hero’s birth attacked "hack propagandists [who] abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others".

Unsurprisingly, he reveres North Korea, and has pointed out that his “basic position of solidarity with People[']s Korea [is] clear”.

Many of(not all) these protesters are communist and have anti western views.
It's not a lazy argument to point this out.There is a clear agenda with sections of these protests to support anyone who is not on our side.
If they're against western involvement in Syria because it is seen as unnecessary killing then why wouldn't they be against Russia who actually are brutally killing civilians and blowing up aid convoys?It's part of the same "issue".Only the worst half of it apparently slips by these people.
Everyone rallying against Trump is fine.He is a liability but there is far far worse **** going on that many of these people don't care about or in worse cases (i.e Stop the war) actually support the brutal regimes.So it does appear extremely hypocritical.When we get protests outside the Russian embassy aswell and against the brutal dictators killing people on the daily and against terror attacks on western soil then maybe anti Trump protests won't look so hypocritical.








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And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any issue they personally care about.
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And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any issue they personally care about.
It's not a "silly" or "lazy" point of view though to ask just where the hell are these protesters when anyone other than our own country or the US are carrying out far worse atrocities.It is of course everyone's right to protest on whatever issue they choose.But to question what seems like a very one sided agenda is also anyone's right.Specially when an organisation called 'Stop The War' only wants to stop one side of it.
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It's not a "silly" or "lazy" point of view though to ask just where the hell are these protesters when anyone other than our own country or the US are carrying out far worse atrocities.It is of course everyone's right to protest on whatever issue they choose.But to question what seems like a very one sided agenda is also anyone's right.Specially when an organisation called 'Stop The War' only wants to stop one side of it.
It is silly Russia are not part of NATO are they?
There has to be a degree of realism to what you are protesting about, a protest in the country who is doing the shelling is going to have more gravitas as it shows it is not what that country wants as a people.

Of course nobody who opposes war suggests that the UK and US are wrong and Russia right, that is ridiculous.
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And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any cissue they personally care about.
No but it shows their choice is not based on any reasoned argument, just personal opinion and has bugger all to do being right.

So getting off their high horses would be appropriate if they don't want to be exposed as complete hypocrites.
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