[user104658]

I do have to admire LT for sticking with this one. I mean, basically everyone else is united in suspecting that the McCanns have at least been "less than truthful" about events. People who disagree on every other topic under the sun are all like "Oh yeah but the McCanns are well dodgy."

But not LT! LT still believes in Kate goddamnit, until the end. He's the Sam to her Frodo .

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do have to admire LT for sticking with this one. I mean, basically everyone else is united in suspecting that the McCanns have at least been "less than truthful" about events. People who disagree on every other topic under the sun are all like "Oh yeah but the McCanns are well dodgy."

But not LT! LT still believes in Kate goddamnit, until the end. He's the Sam to her Frodo .

I'm with LT on this one I haven't read this particular thread because I find the McCann discussions a bit exhausting tbh, and it's not that I don't think there's a possibility they could have been involved, there is just as there are numerous possibilities. But there's no actual evidence that they had anything to do with it, just things that look kinda dodgy, but nothing that would equate them to being child killers. Yes some scenarios that get suggested sound very unlikely, but then the scenario of parents killing their own child or covering up their child's death is also something that's extremely unlikely, so I never understand the 'well that's too unlikely, they must have been involved' argument towards what I think are plausible scenarios. So since noone really knows what happened that night I don't know why, of all the possibilities, that so many people seem so convinced that the McCanns played a part in it. I can't help but think that maybe it's because it makes it more sensationalist and more of an interesting story? I don't really get it tbh.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm with LT on this one I haven't read this particular thread because I find the McCann discussions a bit exhausting tbh, and it's not that I don't think there's a possibility they could have been involved, there is just as there are numerous possibilities. But there's no actual evidence that they had anything to do with it, just things that look kinda dodgy, but nothing that would equate them to being child killers. Yes some scenarios that get suggested sound very unlikely, but then the scenario of parents killing their own child or covering up their child's death is also something that's extremely unlikely, so I never understand the 'well that's too unlikely, they must have been involved' argument towards what I think are plausible scenarios. So since noone really knows what happened that night I don't know why, of all the possibilities, that so many people seem so convinced that the McCanns played a part in it. I can't help but think that maybe it's because it makes it more sensationalist and more of an interesting story? I don't really get it tbh.

there is way more evidence they covered it up , than she was taken....at the very least they were appallingly neglectful parents who changed their stories umpteen times, who damaged the crime scene evidence, who left doors and windows open, who used charity money to sue people for a decade and who used public and police resources for 10 years at the expense of other thousands of lost children.....but we all know thats just the best case scenario for the mccanns, whats the horrific reality?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm with LT on this one I haven't read this particular thread because I find the McCann discussions a bit exhausting tbh, and it's not that I don't think there's a possibility they could have been involved, there is just as there are numerous possibilities. But there's no actual evidence that they had anything to do with it, just things that look kinda dodgy, but nothing that would equate them to being child killers. Yes some scenarios that get suggested sound very unlikely, but then the scenario of parents killing their own child or covering up their child's death is also something that's extremely unlikely, so I never understand the 'well that's too unlikely, they must have been involved' argument towards what I think are plausible scenarios. So since noone really knows what happened that night I don't know why, of all the possibilities, that so many people seem so convinced that the McCanns played a part in it. I can't help but think that maybe it's because it makes it more sensationalist and more of an interesting story? I don't really get it tbh.

Maddies death scent was on Kates clothes,in apartment, in garden and hire car

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do have to admire LT for sticking with this one. I mean, basically everyone else is united in suspecting that the McCanns have at least been "less than truthful" about events. People who disagree on every other topic under the sun are all like "Oh yeah but the McCanns are well dodgy."

But not LT! LT still believes in Kate goddamnit, until the end. He's the Sam to her Frodo .

If anyone's 10 years accumulated knowledge of this case is based on reading years of gagged (until now) biased UK media reports, it's not surprising.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think it's doubtful at this stage, i hope I'm wrong though

I think all that could put an end to their nonsense now is perhaps finding Maddie's body or a confession from one of the Tapas gang. Or they will be sacrificed by the TPTB who've needed to so fiercely protect them. I think it's more likely since the damning Supreme Court ruling, added to far more people now being aware of the PJ files. The truth of what their status has been all along is now widely known after their years of silencing have been stopped and after they've successfully pretended they were proven to be innocent of any involvement.
What kind of parents who are claiming their child has been abducted by peadophiles would totally ignore serious police advice and immediately advertise her distinguishing eye coloboma to the world? Effectively signing her death warrant!
They know exactly what happened to Madeleine and knew it was pointless to get out of their apartment and search for her. I don't believe they were directly involved in her death but they should have had the guts to face the consequences.
As you said they were actually saved by Portuguese Law from being arrested based on the Cadaver and Blood dogs findings.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by anne666

If anyone's 10 years accumulated knowledge of this case is based on reading years of gagged (until now) biased UK media reports, it's not surprising.



I think all that could put an end to their nonsense now is perhaps finding Maddie's body or a confession from one of the Tapas gang. Or they will be sacrificed by the TPTB who've needed to so fiercely protect them. I think it's more likely since the damning Supreme Court ruling, added to far more people now being aware of the PJ files. The truth of what their status has been all along is now widely known after their years of silencing have been stopped and after they've successfully pretended they were proven to be innocent of any involvement.
What kind of parents who are claiming their child has been abducted by peadophiles would totally ignore serious police advice and immediately advertise her distinguishing eye coloboma to the world? Effectively signing her death warrant!
They know exactly what happened to Madeleine and knew it was pointless to get out of their apartment and search for her. I don't believe they were directly involved in her death but they should have had the guts to face the consequences.
As you said they were actually saved by Portuguese Law from being arrested based on the Cadaver and Blood dogs findings.

Yeah that was ridiculous

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that was ridiculous

Ah but Niamh, it was a 'good marketing ploy'. It will make more people aware and as such, make more $ roll in for court cases and mortgage payments Who cares is publicizing that means whoever 'has your daughter' will kill her eh...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah but Niamh, it was a 'good marketing ploy'. It will make more people aware and as such, make more $ roll in for court cases and mortgage payments Who cares is publicizing that means whoever 'has your daughter' will kill her eh...

I know imagine it seriously, imagine actually thinking your child had been kidnapped and doing that, makes zero sense at all unless you knew she wasn't kidnapped.....

Also what parent would even think about "marketing ploys" when their baby had just disappeared?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know imagine it seriously, imagine actually thinking your child had been kidnapped and doing that, makes zero sense at all unless you knew she wasn't kidnapped.....

Also what parent would even think about "marketing ploys" when their baby had just disappeared?

Imagine your child had been kidnapped and you didn't physically search yourself, imagine refusing to answer police questions (yes some may be uncomfortable, BUT...parents/family are always first suspects because...statistics) surely you would help any way you could and would want your name cleared.... Imagine your friends kid had gone missing and you refused to do a reconstruction to help police get a better view of the situation. Imagine your child had gone missing and from the start you mislead police by stating the doors were locked and they must have came in through the window, but then its proven you cannot get in via the window without damage, so your own story then changes to 'we left the door open'. Imagine your child has just gone missing and you are planning parties for the year anniversary instead of hoping she would be found any minute. Imagine rubbishing all 'sightings' and complaining that the police were driving too fast to check one out..Infact, I fall at the first hurdle, as I cannot even begin to imagine going on holiday with the kids, dumping them in the creche from morning til night, then leaving them ALONE in a room in a strange place just so I could go out with friends

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Imagine your child had been kidnapped and you didn't physically search yourself, imagine refusing to answer police questions (yes some may be uncomfortable, BUT...parents/family are always first suspects because...statistics) surely you would help any way you could and would want your name cleared.... Imagine your friends kid had gone missing and you refused to do a reconstruction to help police get a better view of the situation. Imagine your child had gone missing and from the start you mislead police by stating the doors were locked and they must have came in through the window, but then its proven you cannot get in via the window without damage, so your own story then changes to 'we left the door open'. Imagine your child has just gone missing and you are planning parties for the year anniversary instead of hoping she would be found any minute. Imagine rubbishing all 'sightings' and complaining that the police were driving too fast to check one out..Infact, I fall at the first hurdle, as I cannot even begin to imagine going on holiday with the kids, dumping them in the creche from morning til night, then leaving them ALONE in a room in a strange place just so I could go out with friends

yep I know it's just crazy, any one of those things you listed would make me suspicious but all of them is just ridiculous.

And I totally agree about the dumping them in the creche all day, why even bother bringing them if they want to spend no time at all with them, usually those type of holidays are all about the kids. I don't know it's just weird, even after ditching them for the whole day that still wasn't enough, they had to dump them at night too