[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I really wasnt being patronising. Sorry it came off that way. But you have painted with that brush a lot in this thread and I dont think its relevant. Most cisgendered and transgendered females want to appear feminine. There are some that do not.
Using the stereotypical transwoman to disregard them all doesnt add up.

I am not trying to disregard them all? I am trying to disregard those who do not actually suffer sex dysphoria, yet claim to be trans. BIG difference.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am not trying to disregard them all? I am trying to disregard those who do not actually suffer sex dysphoria, yet claim to be trans. BIG difference.

Do you have reason to believe that this happens frequently/at all aside from there being a lot of stereotypically feminine trans? Because I think thats where we're disagreeing. I can't imagine the ratio of stereotypically feminine trans is any higher than cisgendered women.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do you have reason to believe that this happens frequently/at all aside from there being a lot of stereotypically feminine trans? Because I think thats where we're disagreeing. I can't imagine the ratio of stereotypically feminine trans is any higher than cisgendered women.

Transsexual people, I agree entirely.

'Transgender' not so much. Maybe I didn't make the distinction clear and this is where the disconnect has came from with us See transgender includes so many people its insane. The most prominent (both in real life and in transactivism) are the non-dysphoric folk who shout on about how they are 'real' women...often more so than actual females. These people believe there is such thing as a female penis, spend an unhealthy amount of time trying to threaten lesbians into shagging them and try to gain access to female spaces through laws that aren't needed. THESE people I have an issue with and they seem to see 'female' as nothing more than a suit to put on...will be all about stereotypes.

I do find it rather fascinating though, that most 'trans' stories do seem to start out with dresses and pink sparkles. Almost as if if these kids were allowed to be themselves without rigid sex stereotypes forced on them then...