[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't you get fed up with the continual bashing of anything you say from the same handful of people? I know I do.

Its a debate forum, Livia. And the selection of debates to choose from usually cover similar issues, so people usually fight for the same side each time. Although me and brillo did share the same side of the argument for a debate on whether the DM is appropriate for TiBB, and whether the age of consent should be lowered, and I know you and I have agreed several times before too, so its not always the case..
I don't think anybody should take it personally, I agree that it seems like there are two sides of tibb at times that continue to 'bash' each others points. But thats kind of what debate is. Users that want to take part can do so, they usually state their argument, and then oppose others. Doing this is entirely optional.
Its a shame that 80%+ of the debates cover right/left wing issues cos I think a more regular switch-up of 'teams' would be pretty cute.. but nobody makes those type of threads, probably because they dont feel passionately enough to do so.
I'm sure nobody comes on to tibb to purposely or maliciously bash somebody continuously in the debate forum - they just want to debate with an opinion that is least like their own

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its a debate forum, Livia. And the selection of debates to choose from usually cover similar issues, so people usually fight for the same side each time. Although me and brillo did share the same side of the argument for a debate on whether the DM is appropriate for TiBB, and whether the age of consent should be lowered, and I know you and I have agreed several times before too, so its not always the case..
I don't think anybody should take it personally, I agree that it seems like there are two sides of tibb at times that continue to 'bash' each others points. But thats kind of what debate is. Users that want to take part can do so, they usually state their argument, and then oppose others. Doing this is entirely optional.
Its a shame that 80%+ of the debates cover right/left wing issues cos I think a more regular switch-up of 'teams' would be pretty cute.. but nobody makes those type of threads, probably because they dont feel passionately enough to do so.
I'm sure nobody comes on to tibb to purposely or maliciously bash somebody continuously in the debate forum - they just want to debate with an opinion that is least like their own

And you all should be able to have different opinions without insulting eachother or getting personal, i really don't understand how it's so hard to just stay talking about the topic of the thread

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its a debate forum, Livia. And the selection of debates to choose from usually cover similar issues, so people usually fight for the same side each time. Although me and brillo did share the same side of the argument for a debate on whether the DM is appropriate for TiBB, and whether the age of consent should be lowered, and I know you and I have agreed several times before too, so its not always the case..
I don't think anybody should take it personally, I agree that it seems like there are two sides of tibb at times that continue to 'bash' each others points. But thats kind of what debate is. Users that want to take part can do so, they usually state their argument, and then oppose others. Doing this is entirely optional.
Its a shame that 80%+ of the debates cover right/left wing issues cos I think a more regular switch-up of 'teams' would be pretty cute.. but nobody makes those type of threads, probably because they dont feel passionately enough to do so.
I'm sure nobody comes on to tibb to purposely or maliciously bash somebody continuously in the debate forum - they just want to debate with an opinion that is least like their own

I know what it is, Withano. I knew what it was for all the years I was taking part in serious debates while you weren't here, so I hardly think I need you now to point it out. And I have to say it's got a lot worse since the referendum last year. You're either a remainer, or you're stupid. That's the gist. But most people - in or out - spent a lot of time weighing up the options and reaching their conclusions.

You can feel passionately without insinuating that others are stupid, naive, don't call a spade a spade etc. We all think differently, I'm sure there's no one on here who is a bad person, we all feel, we all are concerned for the state of things and for the plight of others. There's much too much time spent on pulling peoplke apart and not enough spent on trying to understand each other's issues and see how they fit in with yours. And I'm not speaking specifically about you.

I really enjoy, for the most part, people who have different opinions from me, How dull it would be to come here and only say "oh yes, I agree... my thoughts exactly".

I love TiBB. I wish we could all get on a bit more despite differing opinions. I am going to try very hard to ignore the baiters in future. I admire your passion even thought I don't share your views.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know what it is, Withano. I knew what it was for all the years I was taking part in serious debates while you weren't here, so I hardly think I need you now to point it out. And I have to say it's got a lot worse since the referendum last year. You're either a remainer, or you're stupid. That's the gist. But most people - in or out - spent a lot of time weighing up the options and reaching their conclusions.

You can feel passionately without insinuating that others are stupid, naive, don't call a spade a spade etc. We all think differently, I'm sure there's no one on here who is a bad person, we all feel, we all are concerned for the state of things and for the plight of others. There's much too much time spent on pulling peoplke apart and not enough spent on trying to understand each other's issues and see how they fit in with yours. And I'm not speaking specifically about you.

I really enjoy, for the most part, people who have different opinions from me, How dull it would be to come here and only say "oh yes, I agree... my thoughts exactly".

I love TiBB. I wish we could all get on a bit more despite differing opinions. I am going to try very hard to ignore the baiters in future. I admire your passion even thought I don't share your views.

Considering there's barely any threads in SD where the phrase 'Remoaner' isn't thrown about I'd say your assessment on the fact that people who vote remain are more likely to be insulting is fairly wrong.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Considering there's barely any threads in SD where the phrase 'Remoaner' isn't thrown about I'd say your assessment on the fact that people who vote remain are more likely to be insulting is fairly wrong.

I think the majority of people who may have used that word have now given up and left.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know what it is, Withano. I knew what it was for all the years I was taking part in serious debates while you weren't here, so I hardly think I need you now to point it out. And I have to say it's got a lot worse since the referendum last year. You're either a remainer, or you're stupid. That's the gist. But most people - in or out - spent a lot of time weighing up the options and reaching their conclusions.

You can feel passionately without insinuating that others are stupid, naive, don't call a spade a spade etc. We all think differently, I'm sure there's no one on here who is a bad person, we all feel, we all are concerned for the state of things and for the plight of others. There's much too much time spent on pulling peoplke apart and not enough spent on trying to understand each other's issues and see how they fit in with yours. And I'm not speaking specifically about you.

I really enjoy, for the most part, people who have different opinions from me, How dull it would be to come here and only say "oh yes, I agree... my thoughts exactly".

I love TiBB. I wish we could all get on a bit more despite differing opinions. I am going to try very hard to ignore the baiters in future. I admire your passion even thought I don't share your views.

Alright, well dont try to act like the innocent victim through it, I know a lot of people that regularly oppose my side, including you, that have insulted me and others at times too.
I think its more of a snowball effect at times with the insults on here, starts with a small dig such as 'PC gone mad' or 'bit of a silly thing to say' and then the replies gradually get a bit more insulting as the discussion progresses - with neither party knowing where the line really is.
I cant think of a simple solution to this tbh. Stricter punishment system perhaps?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Alright, well dont try to act like the innocent victim through it, I know a lot of people that regularly oppose my side, including you, that have insulted me and others at times too.
I think its more of a snowball effect at times with the insults on here, starts with a small dig such as 'PC gone mad' or 'bit of a silly thing to say' and then the replies gradually get a bit more insulting as the discussion progresses - with neither party knowing where the line really is.
I cant think of a simple solution to this tbh. Stricter punishment system perhaps?

I don't think stricter punishments are in order. Especially as the system of moderation allows moderators to be quite insulting during the course of a debate, and then punish others in the same debate, with differing opinions.

I haven't knowingly insulted you Withano. I only insult when someone insults me. I'm not saying I'm a paragon of virtue... I am saying that the whole feel of S&D, which has always been a little tense, is worse now than I've ever known it. I don't know what the answer is. Try to ignore those who try to insult you while remaining within the rules? I'll try that again... but you know, some people are persistent.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think stricter punishments are in order. Especially as the system of moderation allows moderators to be quite insulting during the course of a debate, and then punish others in the same debate, with differing opinions.

I haven't knowingly insulted you Withano. I only insult when someone insults me. I'm not saying I'm a paragon of virtue... I am saying that the whole feel of S&D, which has always been a little tense, is worse now than I've ever known it. I don't know what the answer is. Try to ignore those who try to insult you while remaining within the rules? I'll try that again... but you know, some people are persistent.

I'm not sure if many people knowingly insult others.. It seems to me, more one-up-manship, until somebody eventually crosses the line.
I think serious debates have got more.. serious.. because of the recent **** that went on.. brexit, trump, ge17 (admittedly, I dont know where the anti-muslim rhetoric has stemmed from, was there much of this before the referendum?).. but this hasnt been a normal 12 months for Western politics..
SD might revert to normal once the backlash of ge17, brexit, and trump dies down because I cant think of many upcoming political milestones as big as these in the near future

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not sure if many people knowingly insult others.. It seems to me, more one-up-manship, until somebody eventually crosses the line.
I think serious debates have got more.. serious.. because of the recent **** that went on.. brexit, trump, ge17 (admittedly, I dont know where the anti-muslim rhetoric has stemmed from, was there much of this before the referendum?).. but this hasnt been a normal 12 months for Western politics..
SD might revert to normal once the backlash of ge17, brexit, and trump dies down because I cant think of many upcoming political milestones as big as these in the near future

You know, I really hope this place reverts to normal, as you say... whatever passed for normal around here.

Nice to talk this out with you though.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not sure if many people knowingly insult others.. It seems to me, more one-up-manship, until somebody eventually crosses the line.
I think serious debates have got more.. serious.. because of the recent **** that went on.. brexit, trump, ge17 (admittedly, I dont know where the anti-muslim rhetoric has stemmed from, was there much of this before the referendum?).. but this hasnt been a normal 12 months for Western politics..
SD might revert to normal once the backlash of ge17, brexit, and trump dies down because I cant think of many upcoming political milestones as big as these in the near future

You're obviously intelligent and I enjoy reading your posts for the most part though I don't always agree I do sometimes but I feel if I mentioned that you'd think I was mocking you or something. I enjoy reading most people on the forum, but there are a few I feel don't listen and just bite without really taking on board what others are saying.

I think you (and others) mistake anti religious feeling and concerns for women in religions for anti muslim rhetoric. I think the muslim religion comes up a lot because of current affairs and the current spate of terroism, and because of the whole face covering thing. As religions go, it is one of the worst for the oppression of women so that too comes up a lot. It seems to me as if there are two groups on the forum, one that are looking at the negatives of the religion and another that view those negatives as anti the people who adhere to it. It's quite complex really.

For me personally I don't believe in religion and feel it is tolerable only in so far as when it doesn't tell people how to live, how many babies to have, whether or not to mutilate their children's genitals, who else to pick on or kill, how to dress, and who to marry and at what age etc.