[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think people don't get it or pretend not to, it's just a moot question when it comes to slaughter methods? Because all you're really asking is "Why do we accept animals being killed and eaten in certain situations but not in others", which is a totally different debate about vegitarianism... it has nothing to do with the throat-slitting. Unless you're happy to see people wandering around killing and eating the neighborhood cats so long as they stun them first :think:.

For the 100th time there is a train of thought on this thread that throat slitting causes no pain... so if people believe that they should have no issue with animals being killed in this way outside the meat industry, I can't put in in simpler terms.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

For the 100th time there is a train of thought on this thread that throat slitting causes no pain... so if people believe that they should have no issue with animals being killed in this way outside the meat industry, I can't put in in simpler terms.

But that's just bizarre if your argument is that it's not OK simply because of the pain issue? I mean, I can pretty much guarantee that strapping a grenade to a cat will cause no pain... so your argument is that people should have "no issue" with people blowing up Old Grandma Smith's tabby because it won't feel it?

The reason people have a problem with the idea of going around killing people's pets isn't "because it hurts" .

"HAHA I just killed your cat!!"
"WHAT??!? Oh... oh my god... what did you do to him... did you stamp him to death? Did you hurt him and cut him and stuff?"
"Nah, I electrocuted him so he passed out, then killed him while he was unconscious. He won't have felt a thing"
"Oh thank goodness. That's fine then."

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But that's just bizarre if your argument is that it's not OK simply because of the pain issue? I mean, I can pretty much guarantee that strapping a grenade to a cat will cause no pain... so your argument is that people should have "no issue" with people blowing up Old Grandma Smith's tabby because it won't feel it?

The reason people have a problem with the idea of going around killing people's pets isn't "because it hurts" .

"HAHA I just killed your cat!!"
"WHAT??!? Oh... oh my god... what did you do to him... did you stamp him to death? Did you hurt him and cut him and stuff?"
"Nah, I electrocuted him so he passed out, then killed him while he was unconscious. He won't have felt a thing"
"Oh thank goodness. That's fine then."

I have no idea what you are talking about none of the above applies to my point.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have no idea what you are talking about none of the above applies to my point.

Of course it does and I don't even know how to make it more simple...

You said that; "there is a train of thought on this thread that throat slitting causes no pain... so if people believe that they should have no issue with animals being killed in this way outside the meat industry"

SO

If people believe that throat slitting is OK in the meat indistry, it's fine outside of the meat industry. That is your logic here.

Therefore

If people believe that stunning/bolting is OK in the meat industry, it must be fine outside of the meat industry?

Which leads me to the conclusion that you must think that stunning and killing cats is OK so long as it's painless.


If you DON'T... then I have no idea why you think that anyone who is OK with throat slitting in the meat industry is also OK with cat murder.

Frankly though, i think you're just scrabbling to make a point that you haven't really thought through.

[Cherry Christmas]

[QUOTE=Toy Soldier;9677617]Of course it does and I don't even know how to make it more simple...

You said that; "there is a train of thought on this thread that throat slitting causes no pain... so if people believe that they should have no issue with animals being killed in this way outside the meat industry"

SO

If people believe that throat slitting is OK in the meat indistry, it's fine outside of the meat industry. That is your logic here.

Therefore

If people believe that stunning/bolting is OK in the meat industry, it must be fine outside of the meat industry?

Which leads me to the conclusion that you must think that stunning and killing cats is OK so long as it's painless.


If you DON'T... then I have no idea why you think that anyone who is OK with throat slitting in the meat industry is also OK with cat murder.

Frankly though, i think you're just scrabbling to make a point that you haven't really thought through.[/QUOTE]


No I think you will find that is you and you have not comprehended what I am saying, I have not gone to great lengths such as providing links and proof that throat slitting is painless, I have not said stunning is a great idea, what I have said is I think slitting throats might not be such a stress free experience as is being promoted, so in view of that promotion would the same people promoting the idea of throat slitting as a kinder way to die, be okay with other animals having their throats slit outside the meat industry if there were going to die...whether this be culling or some psycho killing animals is just an example and not one to be taken to heart like you have done.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No I think you will find that is you and you have not comprehended what I am saying, I have not gone to great lengths such as providing links and proof that throat slitting is painless, I have not said stunning is a great idea, what I have said is I think slitting throats might not be such a stress free experience as is being promoted, so in view of that promotion would the same people promoting the idea of throat slitting as a kinder way to die, be okay with other animals having their throats slit outside the meat industry if there were going to die...whether this be culling or some psycho killing animals is just an example and not one to be taken to heart like you have done.

But you're making points that just don't exist? The methods used for culling animals are horrific! YES it would be far better if we could cut their throats. Do you think culling methods are selected based on being kind? They're selected based on what is cheapest and most effective. Usually poison which is pretty much the worst way to die imaginable.

If you're talking about animal euthanasia, sure, the lethal injection given lets them pass away peacefully. It also would contaminate the meat so is completely irrelevant to the meat industry.

So all you're asking is, outside of the context of the meat industry, "How should we kill animals"? We shouldn't, is the answer... I don't understand what you're getting at, at all.

The ONLY relevant question is, is throat-slitting worse than stunning and killing. I have no idea how or why you're trying to transfer just the "throat slitting" part over to an example of other random animal killings in an attempt to "make people see that cutting something's throat is bad". Yes it's bad. Killing animals is bad! We do it for selfish reasons, and the animals suffer. What is your point otherwise? I can't imagine you do have one UNLESS you are trying to say that while throat cutting "is bad", bolting/electrocuting "isn't bad", which would be a very confusing standpoint.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But you're making points that just don't exist? The methods used for culling animals are horrific! YES it would be far better if we could cut their throats. Do you think culling methods are selected based on being kind? They're selected based on what is cheapest and most effective. Usually poison which is pretty much the worst way to die imaginable.

If you're talking about animal euthanasia, sure, the lethal injection given lets them pass away peacefully. It also would contaminate the meat so is completely irrelevant to the meat industry.

So all you're asking is, outside of the context of the meat industry, "How should we kill animals"? We shouldn't, is the answer... I don't understand what you're getting at, at all.

The ONLY relevant question is, is throat-slitting worse than stunning and killing. I have no idea how or why you're trying to transfer just the "throat slitting" part over to an example of other random animal killings in an attempt to "make people see that cutting something's throat is bad". Yes it's bad. Killing animals is bad! We do it for selfish reasons, and the animals suffer. What is your point otherwise? I can't imagine you do have one UNLESS you are trying to say that while throat cutting "is bad", bolting/electrocuting "isn't bad", which would be a very confusing standpoint.

If you haven't got it by now you never will, and I find it ironic that you have just preached on another thread about people wilfully pretending not to get it, when you so often exhibit this behaviour yourself

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But that's just bizarre if your argument is that it's not OK simply because of the pain issue? I mean, I can pretty much guarantee that strapping a grenade to a cat will cause no pain... so your argument is that people should have "no issue" with people blowing up Old Grandma Smith's tabby because it won't feel it?

The reason people have a problem with the idea of going around killing people's pets isn't "because it hurts" .

"HAHA I just killed your cat!!"
"WHAT??!? Oh... oh my god... what did you do to him... did you stamp him to death? Did you hurt him and cut him and stuff?"
"Nah, I electrocuted him so he passed out, then killed him while he was unconscious. He won't have felt a thing"
"Oh thank goodness. That's fine then."

Actually we have a serial cat killer in the south and people are very upset about how it's done.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Actually we have a serial cat killer in the south and people are very upset about how it's done.

And they wouldn't mind the dead cats if it was a gentle cat killer. Well, I find that a bit odd but each to their own I guess.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And they wouldn't mind the dead cats if it was a gentle cat killer. Well, I find that a bit odd but each to their own I guess.

Words in mouth, tsk.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And they wouldn't mind the dead cats if it was a gentle cat killer. Well, I find that a bit odd but each to their own I guess.

that's what you folks are claiming regarding throat slitting, I guess the view changes depending on the animal point proven

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that's what you folks are claiming regarding throat slitting

No it isn't?

I guess the view changes depending on the animal

Yes that's pretty standard for most people. Are you a vegetarian, Cherie?

point proven

No, it isn't