[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I guess a better example for India would be - did you watch the series with Kellie Maloney? She was also deeply insecure and largely unpopular on here (perhaps not to the overbearing extent that India is now - because she had James Jordan, Frenchy and White Dee to contest with ) and because of the very recent nature of her transition at that time, she, obviously, still looked very 'male' and as such I think was treated more as a joke than as a fully fledged transition that was now happy and who they wanted to be.

Botched surgery is definitely a factor and I think that's unfortunate (also perhaps age: if someone transitions when younger, as indeed Luke and Nadia did, the effect is probably more 'convincing' because of, idk, young skin being more malleable and forgiving )

India is a unique (to Big Brother anyway) case though in that she keeps distancing herself from the more feminine housemates. Even wanting the males to enter the house because she thought the women were too bitchy (how progressive ) so I definitely think there's some internalised misogyny on her part.

I guess thats a fair point. I did have issues taking Kellies transition seriously...not helped by the first thing Kellie did in the house was trying to get Audley to say something transphobic I loved Audley just being so...'whatever' about it all. Another reason I had problems accepting Kellie 'as a woman' was her blaming every bad thing about her personality on Frank. She blamed trying to kill her wife on Frank and said Kellie is a different person...no. Kellie IS frank. Also Kellie from what I remember squared up to a woman...which made me think 'man', just the way it was done. Kellie brought up Frank on a regular basis. So again, Kellie was one who acted like a male person and constantly brought up her 'alter ego' I am sure she called it :S

Even with all of this said though, I admit I did not see Kellie as a woman, but not quite to the extent that I am having problems accepting India as a woman.

And yes, India is misogynistic. Which does not help in trying to see her 'as a woman'. I know some women are misogynistic, but it just shows more from a male person I think