[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...of course, NM...in terms of characters traits in housemates, these will always be from the perspectives of those observing in that environment...but the ‘Ann’s a nasty homophobe’ or the ‘other camp’ as you say would indicate only two camps of perspectives, which I don’t believe there only is...there is lots of acres of land between those camps and also all around them.....so many perspectives, rather than it just being one or the other and nothing inbetween...hmmm but if there were only two camps of thought/perspective..?...then you would be ‘the other’, I know this because you have posed the question of whether Ann has showed homophobia traits in the house and said you didn’t think she had...so with those thoughts of you feeling that she hadn’t, wouldn’t your perspective probably be that you would ‘see’ a reason for certain aspects of her so that it all sat right with you...oh no, it couldn’t be that because if it was how could she tolerate this or feel comfortable with that and there has been no ‘hate’ so how can that be, she can’t have those traits, there are other reasons and etc, is how our thoughts work, isn’t it....?...My perspective wouldn’t be ‘she’s a nasty homophobe’ because I don’t think she is...there are many aspects to a person’s character and who they are which is why I dislike labels so much because one character trait doesn’t entirely define a whole person...she’s not nasty and I wouldn’t label her a homophobe but that can still mean she has indeed displayed homophobia traits...because there really aren’t only two camps of it having to be one completely or the other completely...

...hmmm no I don’t think Ann ‘hates’ either, she doesn’t seem at all like a ‘hating’ person to me...but then hate would be an extreme of a camp and having a character trait isn’t an extreme, is it... we all have traits and one of those with Ann, I feel would be classed as a homophobic trait...again though, another housemate’s sexuality isn’t their whole person and everything they are, which is why Ann can still be fine with other aspects to them in the house...

I actually pretty much agree with amost all of your post.I made a similar post in another thread about the best or right answer usually being somewhere in the middle ground.The opinions on here in ‘on’ season are usually very tribalistic and biased and i know i’ve been guilty of that too

So i think our only disagreement would probably be as to what the threshold is as to what constitutes homophobia.

I just don’t immediately jump to that whenever Ann says something negative about somebody who happens to be gay or when she’s annoyed with certain behaviour.
Other people see it differently.
I think for me to believe she is homophobic it would take something more blatant and out of the grey area.Or what proof do we have?