[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I posted the definition of gender a few posts up and it pretty much says a bunch of stereotypes, doesn't mention the word brain once but OK I'm the one who doesn't understand gender

Doesnt really say that though? Its an incredibly simplistic 10-word definition which you interpreted in an odd way.

Theres nothing I disagree with in the definition. There are social and cultural differences between gender, gender is encouraged from an early age. You're just ignoring why this has happened.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Withano

Doesnt really say that though? Its an incredibly simplistic 10-word definition which you interpreted in an odd way.

You know it's possible to have this discussion without having little digs at me Withano. I don't think it's "odd" to interpret the Bits I've bolded to mean stereotypes

the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):

"traditional concepts of gender"


•the members of one or other sex:

"differences between the genders are encouraged from an early age"


synonyms: gender
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[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Withano

Doesnt really say that though? Its an incredibly simplistic 10-word definition which you interpreted in an odd way.

Theres nothing I disagree with in the definition. There are social and cultural differences between gender, gender is encouraged from an early age. You're just ignoring why this has happened.

I'm not ignoring why this has happened, I disagree with your view of why it happened

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not ignoring why this has happened, I disagree with your view of why it happened

Well I'm saying it has happened because of brain differences. You shared a link highligting these brain differences. Are you now disagreeing with the link you shared?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well I'm saying it has happened because of brain differences. You shared a link highligting these brain differences. Are you now disagreeing with the link you shared?

The link I posted says there is no male or female brains, they specifically have the "male" and "female" in "'s because of that

“There are not two types of brain”

When the group looked at each individual brain scan, however, they found that very few people had all of the brain features they might be expected to have, based on their sex. Across the sample, between 0 and 8 per cent of people had “all-male” or “all-female” brains, depending on the definition. “Most people are in the middle,” says Joel.

This means that, averaged across many people, sex differences in brain structure do exist, but an individual brain is likely to be just that: individual, with a mix of features. “There are not two types of brain,” says Joel.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The link I posted says there is no male or female brains, they specifically have the "male" and "female" in "'s because of that

“There are not two types of brain”

When the group looked at each individual brain scan, however, they found that very few people had all of the brain features they might be expected to have, based on their sex. Across the sample, between 0 and 8 per cent of people had “all-male” or “all-female” brains, depending on the definition. “Most people are in the middle,” says Joel.

This means that, averaged across many people, sex differences in brain structure do exist, but an individual brain is likely to be just that: individual, with a mix of features. “There are not two types of brain,” says Joel.

I've been through this, I feel like you're just skirting around the question by ignoring what I'm saying

The link you shared highlights how there is a more typically masculine brain, and a more typically female brain, with nearly everybody falling between the two on a binary scale.

You're saying transpeople feel that way because of stereotypes, when this link would clearly imply that a transperson would actually just have a brain which is structured in a more feminine or masculine way, which does not correlate with their birth-sex.

Women and transwomen will have, on average, a more feminine brain
Men and transmen will have, on average, a more masculine brain
This has created stereotypes like women having a better verbal ability because they are, on average, better at verbal reasoning due to their brain structure.

Which part of you disagreeing with?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Withano

I've been through this, I feel like you're just skirting around the question by ignoring what I'm saying

The link you shared highlights how there is a more typically masculine brain, and a more typically female brain, with nearly everybody falling between the two on a binary scale.

You're saying transpeople feel that way because of stereotypes, when this link would clearly imply that a transperson would actually just have a brain which is structured in a more feminine or masculine way, which does not correlate with their birth-sex.

Women and transwomen will have, on average, a more feminine brain
Men and transmen will have, on average, a more masculine brain
This has created stereotypes like women having a better verbal ability because they are, on average, better at verbal reasoning due to their brain structure.

Which part of you disagreeing with?

Hang on a second now Withano I never said Trans people feel that way because of anything. What I said was I believe gender is a bunch of stereotypes.

BIB - If most people fall in between the two then they're not really "typically" male or female are they? I think that's what the link I posted was saying actually

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hang on a second now Withano I never said Trans people feel that way because of anything. What I said was I believe gender is a bunch of stereotypes.

BIB - If most people fall in between the two then they're not really "typically" male or female are they? I think that's what the link I posted was saying actually

They were saying that most of the world is non-binary, which I too agree with! But I'm not having that debate on tibb!

The link was saying that there are feminine features of the brain and masculine features of the brain - I can understand why a person that has a large majority of feminine features would become a transwoman, thats logical to me... Sure they'd be non-binary, like 90% of the world, but their gender is far more female than male despite having a penis (unless they are one of the rare few with an entirely feminine brain, which could still happen).. I can see why they'd want to present themselves as female, and why they aould want people to view them that way.

Thats why they become trans, brain differences, not stereotypes?
And thats what gender is, brain differences, not stereotypes?