[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Doesnt really say that though? Its an incredibly simplistic 10-word definition which you interpreted in an odd way.

Theres nothing I disagree with in the definition. There are social and cultural differences between gender, gender is encouraged from an early age. You're just ignoring why this has happened.

I'm not ignoring why this has happened, I disagree with your view of why it happened

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not ignoring why this has happened, I disagree with your view of why it happened

Well I'm saying it has happened because of brain differences. You shared a link highligting these brain differences. Are you now disagreeing with the link you shared?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well I'm saying it has happened because of brain differences. You shared a link highligting these brain differences. Are you now disagreeing with the link you shared?

The link I posted says there is no male or female brains, they specifically have the "male" and "female" in "'s because of that

“There are not two types of brain”

When the group looked at each individual brain scan, however, they found that very few people had all of the brain features they might be expected to have, based on their sex. Across the sample, between 0 and 8 per cent of people had “all-male” or “all-female” brains, depending on the definition. “Most people are in the middle,” says Joel.

This means that, averaged across many people, sex differences in brain structure do exist, but an individual brain is likely to be just that: individual, with a mix of features. “There are not two types of brain,” says Joel.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The link I posted says there is no male or female brains, they specifically have the "male" and "female" in "'s because of that

“There are not two types of brain”

When the group looked at each individual brain scan, however, they found that very few people had all of the brain features they might be expected to have, based on their sex. Across the sample, between 0 and 8 per cent of people had “all-male” or “all-female” brains, depending on the definition. “Most people are in the middle,” says Joel.

This means that, averaged across many people, sex differences in brain structure do exist, but an individual brain is likely to be just that: individual, with a mix of features. “There are not two types of brain,” says Joel.

I've been through this, I feel like you're just skirting around the question by ignoring what I'm saying

The link you shared highlights how there is a more typically masculine brain, and a more typically female brain, with nearly everybody falling between the two on a binary scale.

You're saying transpeople feel that way because of stereotypes, when this link would clearly imply that a transperson would actually just have a brain which is structured in a more feminine or masculine way, which does not correlate with their birth-sex.

Women and transwomen will have, on average, a more feminine brain
Men and transmen will have, on average, a more masculine brain
This has created stereotypes like women having a better verbal ability because they are, on average, better at verbal reasoning due to their brain structure.

Which part of you disagreeing with?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I've been through this, I feel like you're just skirting around the question by ignoring what I'm saying

The link you shared highlights how there is a more typically masculine brain, and a more typically female brain, with nearly everybody falling between the two on a binary scale.

You're saying transpeople feel that way because of stereotypes, when this link would clearly imply that a transperson would actually just have a brain which is structured in a more feminine or masculine way, which does not correlate with their birth-sex.

Women and transwomen will have, on average, a more feminine brain
Men and transmen will have, on average, a more masculine brain
This has created stereotypes like women having a better verbal ability because they are, on average, better at verbal reasoning due to their brain structure.

Which part of you disagreeing with?

Hang on a second now Withano I never said Trans people feel that way because of anything. What I said was I believe gender is a bunch of stereotypes.

BIB - If most people fall in between the two then they're not really "typically" male or female are they? I think that's what the link I posted was saying actually

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hang on a second now Withano I never said Trans people feel that way because of anything. What I said was I believe gender is a bunch of stereotypes.

BIB - If most people fall in between the two then they're not really "typically" male or female are they? I think that's what the link I posted was saying actually

They were saying that most of the world is non-binary, which I too agree with! But I'm not having that debate on tibb!

The link was saying that there are feminine features of the brain and masculine features of the brain - I can understand why a person that has a large majority of feminine features would become a transwoman, thats logical to me... Sure they'd be non-binary, like 90% of the world, but their gender is far more female than male despite having a penis (unless they are one of the rare few with an entirely feminine brain, which could still happen).. I can see why they'd want to present themselves as female, and why they aould want people to view them that way.

Thats why they become trans, brain differences, not stereotypes?
And thats what gender is, brain differences, not stereotypes?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

They were saying that most of the world is non-binary, which I too agree with! But I'm not having that debate on tibb!

The link was saying that there are feminine features of the brain and masculine features of the brain - I can understand why a person that has a large majority of feminine features would become a transwoman, thats logical to me... Sure they'd be non-binary, like 90% of the world, but their gender is far more female than male despite having a penis (unless they are one of the rare few with an entirely feminine brain, which could still happen).. I can see why they'd want to present themselves as female, and what people to view them that way.

Thats why they become trans, not stereotypes?

I actually agree with part of your opinion on this but arrive at a different conclusion, I'm not sure I'm articulating my thoughts very well though Like, I agree with the first half of your post but my conclusion is that "male" and "female" traits shouldn't be linked to having a penis or a vagina and they don't feel like they are to me, if you get what I mean? Like I would consider myself to have a lot of "male" traits and was never very "girly" but I don't see things like that as what make me a woman, does that make sense? I'm not sure I'm explaining myself very well

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats why they become trans, brain differences, not stereotypes?
And thats what gender is, brain differences, not stereotypes?

It has not been conclusively determined that gender is solely based on brain differences. That is your take on the discussions - not fact. The whole subject is still under discussion with, as yet , no conclusive outcome - so do us all a favour and stop trying to present your opinion as written in stone, undeniable fact. It isn’t.