[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hang on a second now Withano I never said Trans people feel that way because of anything. What I said was I believe gender is a bunch of stereotypes.

BIB - If most people fall in between the two then they're not really "typically" male or female are they? I think that's what the link I posted was saying actually

They were saying that most of the world is non-binary, which I too agree with! But I'm not having that debate on tibb!

The link was saying that there are feminine features of the brain and masculine features of the brain - I can understand why a person that has a large majority of feminine features would become a transwoman, thats logical to me... Sure they'd be non-binary, like 90% of the world, but their gender is far more female than male despite having a penis (unless they are one of the rare few with an entirely feminine brain, which could still happen).. I can see why they'd want to present themselves as female, and why they aould want people to view them that way.

Thats why they become trans, brain differences, not stereotypes?
And thats what gender is, brain differences, not stereotypes?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

They were saying that most of the world is non-binary, which I too agree with! But I'm not having that debate on tibb!

The link was saying that there are feminine features of the brain and masculine features of the brain - I can understand why a person that has a large majority of feminine features would become a transwoman, thats logical to me... Sure they'd be non-binary, like 90% of the world, but their gender is far more female than male despite having a penis (unless they are one of the rare few with an entirely feminine brain, which could still happen).. I can see why they'd want to present themselves as female, and what people to view them that way.

Thats why they become trans, not stereotypes?

I actually agree with part of your opinion on this but arrive at a different conclusion, I'm not sure I'm articulating my thoughts very well though Like, I agree with the first half of your post but my conclusion is that "male" and "female" traits shouldn't be linked to having a penis or a vagina and they don't feel like they are to me, if you get what I mean? Like I would consider myself to have a lot of "male" traits and was never very "girly" but I don't see things like that as what make me a woman, does that make sense? I'm not sure I'm explaining myself very well

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I actually agree with part of your opinion on this but arrive at a different conclusion, I'm not sure I'm articulating my thoughts very well though Like, I agree with the first half of your post but my conclusion is that "male" and "female" traits shouldn't be linked to having a penis or a vagina and they don't feel like they are to me, if you get what I mean? Like I would consider myself to have a lot of "male" traits and was never very "girly" but I don't see things like that as what make me a woman, does that make sense? I'm not sure I'm explaining myself very well

I do know what you're saying! I think you're saying that your womanhood developed over time through the experiences that you had? (If no, ignore below)

I'd argue that if your brain had more 'masculine features' you wouldnt have grew up into a woman, if your brain was more masculine than feminine, you would sooner associate yourself with manhood.
I think the average transperson has a brain that did not correlate with their birthsex growing up, and as such, they grew up thinking and feeling like their desired sex despite not technically being that sex.
I'd argue that you feeling more in touch with your womanhood is directly linked to your more feminine brain, and me being more in touch with manhood is directly linked to my brain, and if we were born with the same brain but different sexes, we'd likely want to become transpeople.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I do know what you're saying! I think you're saying that your womanhood developed over time through the experiences that you had? (If no, ignore below)

I'd argue that if your brain had more 'masculine features' you wouldnt have grew up into a woman, if your brain was more masculine than feminine, you would sooner associate yourself with manhood.
I think the average transperson has a brain that did not correlate with their birthsex growing up, and as such, they grew up thinking and feeling like their desired sex despite not technically being that sex.
I'd argue that you feeling more in touch with your womanhood is directly linked to your more feminine brain, and me being more in touch with manhood is directly linked to my brain, and if we were born with the same brain but different sexes, we'd likely want to become transpeople.

Ok, I suppose there isn't very much more to say on it. I understand the point you're making but I don't agree with it

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok, I suppose there isn't very much more to say on it. I understand the point you're making but I don't agree with it

Last question, so you believe transpeople exist because of stereotypes, and nothing to do with their brains? Or you just think there must be some other explanation?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Last question, so you believe transpeople exist because of stereotypes, and nothing to do with their brains? Or you just think there must be some other explanation?

No I don't think transpeople exist because of stereotypes, honestly I think it's a type of dysphoria and I have an awful lot of sympathy for anyone who is transsexual.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No I don't think transpeople exist because of stereotypes, honestly I think it's a type of dysphoria and I have an awful lot of sympathy for anyone who is transsexual.

And (sorry) that their brains tend to develop in a way more stereotypically opposite-sex-way because of their dysphoria, instead of them being born with just a brain that would have always developed that way?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats why they become trans, brain differences, not stereotypes?
And thats what gender is, brain differences, not stereotypes?

It has not been conclusively determined that gender is solely based on brain differences. That is your take on the discussions - not fact. The whole subject is still under discussion with, as yet , no conclusive outcome - so do us all a favour and stop trying to present your opinion as written in stone, undeniable fact. It isn’t.