[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Boxy?

No. Scientific fact that there are masculine and feminine parts of the brain of which everyone is somewhere on the scale, making them more or less feminine/masculine in emotions and behaviour. Also affected by the chemistry in their body estrogen/ testosterone etc.

No. Anne hasn't always been a celebrity but clearly hasn't experienced career progression difficulty which either means she never attempted a career of sorts prior to being cast on the Chase to start one in television (I think she was a professional quiz champion or whatever they're called) or she did very well progressing up the ladder with no difficulty, which is no excuse for not looking beyond her own front yard.

Her celebrity status is a hard one to label as successful career progression because it's not really typical. It can literally happen overnight, especially these days. It's rare anyone really works their way for years into the business anymore.

I understand that, however there is no absolutes in brain brain type, you may have a man whos brain chemistry could be described as female, this is not definitive proof that he is trans is it?

Can intellect be measured as career progression? That most certainly isn't something that happens overnight.


For clarity on this issue, for my own peace of mind.
Let me get this right if I see M/F trans as female but not a woman or F/M trans as a male but not a man I'm transphobic?


I'll have to live with that then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

For clarity on this issue, for my own peace of mind.
Let me get this right if I see M/F trans as female but not a woman or F/M trans as a male but not a man I'm transphobic?

Well I wouldn't say it makes you transphobic but it does make you literally incorrect in terms of the actual terminology.

Male and Female are biological descriptions of sex. Man and Woman are social constructions of gender.

A Trans-woman can be sociologically a woman (arguably, I'm not saying everyone agrees with this), and not a man, but will always be biologically male.

You have it the wrong way round. And that's not opinion or "Mansplaining" - that is the actual terminology of established gender theory going back several decades.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well I wouldn't say it makes you transphobic but it does make you literally incorrect in terms of the actual terminology.

Male and Female are biological descriptions of sex. Man and Woman are social constructions of gender.

A Trans-woman can be sociologically a woman (arguably, I'm not saying everyone agrees with this), and not a man, but will always be biologically male.

You have it the wrong way round. And that's not opinion or "Mansplaining" - that is the actual terminology of established gender theory going back several decades.

I haven't accused you of mansplaining no need to be so defensive, They are biological descriptions of gender, genetics are descriptions of sex.
A theory is just that... Theoretical, subject to change.
Simone De Beauvior stated 'One is not born, one is made a woman'.
It pays not to take that too literally

I don't believe that transfemales can be sociologically a woman as to my mind a whole life experience not in how you relate to the world and those in it but how the world and those in it relate to you.