[Vicky.]

Threads get locked when they have descended into bickering baiting nonsense. The reason they are locked as they are cleaned is because otherwise the bickering continues while someone is deleting pages and pages of threads, and then by the time its cleaned there is another load to go. This has happened near forever. If the thread is considered saveable, it is reopened after deletions. there are around 150 deletions in that thread now, both from when james locked it, and when I did. That thread has been locked twice to be cleaned already. A third time I reckon it will remain locked.

And niamh did not lock the thread either. Nor moderate in there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Excuse me, first of all I didn't lock the thread or do any of the modding on it and none of it was to do with what was said to me.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And niamh did not lock the thread either. Nor moderate in there.

Like I said above... I don't think that really matters. And I flat put don't believe that it wasn't that comment that prompted a lock n purge. The timing is far too coincidental.

And here's where the real problem lies - even if I'm totally wrong, even if this ISN'T an example of staff loyalty / rallying round and everything being said by staff in response is the 100% honest truth... The fact that it has to be taken on faith and there's a question mark hanging over it is still a problem, and still makes me think that being "normal member sometimes mod sometimes" simply isn't working. There is a power implication that affects normal interaction. There is always a question of how hard you can push before someone with the power to do so starts taking action. I know there are a few members who are having this issue and honestly I hadn't given it all THAT much thought until it was raised but... ... It's a problem.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Like I said above... I don't think that really matters. And I flat put don't believe that it wasn't that comment that prompted a lock n purge. The timing is far too coincidental.

And here's where the real problem lies - even if I'm totally wrong, even if this ISN'T an example of staff loyalty / rallying round and everything being said by staff in response is the 100% honest truth... The fact that it has to be taken on faith and there's a question mark hanging over it is still a problem, and still makes me think that being "normal member sometimes mod sometimes" simply isn't working. There is a power implication that affects normal interaction. There is always a question of how hard you can push before someone with the power to do so starts taking action. I know there are a few members who are having this issue and honestly I hadn't given it all THAT much thought until it was raised but... ... It's a problem.

Believe whatever you want, you're wrong though.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Believe whatever you want, you're wrong though.

Well indeed. I can say that I came back online at Today, 05:33 PM. Started looking at the few hundred extra comments at Today, 05:34 PM. Locked thread at Today, 05:41 PM as I said

Originally Posted by Vicky.

-removed part discussing bans -
Think I will lock it while I am checking it tbh

and got to Mokkas comment at Today, 05:47 PM. As this is documented in the admin forum by my comments in a thread about bans from the serious debates section.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Believe whatever you want, you're wrong though.

I believe that it wasn't you who started taking mod action but I also believe that it was prompted by another staff member feeling loyal / defensive . If it wasn't you who closed the thread then you can't possibly know which post prompted it being closed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I believe that it wasn't you who started taking mod action but I also believe that it was prompted by another staff member feeling loyal / defensive . If it wasn't you who closed the thread then you can't possibly know which post prompted it being closed.

Well I can know that because we were discussing it with MTVN before Mokka even made the comment to me, both Matt and Vicky then went offline and I had already decided not to mod that thread, then Vicky came back online and started cleaning the thread. But I don't know why I'm even bothering to tell you this anyway because you've already decided you're own narrative

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I can know that because we were discussing it with MTVN before Mokka even made the comment to me, both Matt and Vicky then went offline and I had already decided not to mod that thread, then Vicky came back online and started cleaning the thread. But I don't know why I'm even bothering to tell you this anyway because you've already decided you're own narrative

Can confirm this, I'm afraid I went to the pub for the afternoon and have only just come back online

This thread seems to have mainly levelled out and calmed down so I won't add too much to it but I do want to echo the comments about how unfair the comment towards Niamh was and I think that both her and Vicky do such a good job moderating this forum and have put so many hours into it over the years through so many different dramas and squabbles. Right now there's very few of us Mods that are regularly active on the forum compared to how it used to be, and, as Dezzy alluded to, we are not always that united. I think the debate in the Admin section is often a lot more robust than people think but what stops us from advertising that is that we all do genuinely want this to be a good forum for everyone to post in

[James]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Threads get locked when they have descended into bickering baiting nonsense. The reason they are locked as they are cleaned is because otherwise the bickering continues while someone is deleting pages and pages of threads, and then by the time its cleaned there is another load to go. This has happened near forever. If the thread is considered saveable, it is reopened after deletions. there are around 150 deletions in that thread now, both from when james locked it, and when I did. That thread has been locked twice to be cleaned already. A third time I reckon it will remain locked.

And niamh did not lock the thread either. Nor moderate in there.

That's correct.

I deleted a bunch of posts earlier this afternoon because some people were just having a go at each other.