[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Still, a common ground has to be found.
I would change the term cis if it's not accepted. And forget about self-identification and only take into account gender-reassigment surgery.

I don't think changing the word would help. People are taking issue with having any word full stop. For reasons that still haven't been explained.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think changing the word would help. People are taking issue with having any word full stop. For reasons that still haven't been explained.

I did explain the reason i personally didn't like it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I did explain the reason i personally didn't like it.

Then I appear to have missed your post.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then I appear to have missed your post.

Here you go -

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I think that's why I don't like the term because anytime I've seen it (other than when we've talked in this forum) it's been used in an insulting and derogatory manner and also everytime I've seen it used in this way it's been used towards women which is why it' seems to me ore of womens issue rather than mens

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Here you go -

But isn't that like taking issue with the word "Irish" to describe your nationality? Just because some people might choose to try to offend you by adding insults before or after it?

Seems odd that a fairly innocuous word is being picked out because some not very nice people add insults after it.

I've heard "Hetero scum" a few times, it doesn't change what heterosexual means though.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But isn't that like taking issue with the word "Irish" to describe your nationality? Just because some people might choose to try to offend you by adding insults before or after it?

Seems odd that a fairly innocuous word is being picked out because some not very nice people add insults after it.

I've heard "Hetero scum" a few times, it doesn't change what heterosexual means though.

I was explaining why I personally have a negative association with the word because before I ever heard the word on it's own as a descriptor or whatever it was put forward to me as being an insult

I knew what the words Irish and Hetero were and meant on there own before I ever heard them put together with an insult, if you get what I mean?

This is just my own personal experience btw, i'm not speaking for anyone else in here

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was explaining why I personally have a negative association with the word because before I ever heard the word on it's own as a descriptor or whatever it was put forward to me as being an insult

I knew what the words Irish and Hetero were and meant on there own before I ever heard them put together with an insult, if you get what I mean?

This is just my own personal experience btw, i'm not speaking for anyone else in here

Oh, I understand that. But now that you do know the word and what it means, do you still feel the same way?

[Cherry Christmas]

Coming back to the new legislation about self identifying, exactly how can this work if I can the day after the law is passed put on a mans suit and tie walk into some longstanding all men's club and they have to accept me? as it stands at the moment (and I didn't know this until this morning) under the equality any man dressed in female clothes can access women's changing rooms and toilets, I really don't think this has been thought through properly at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Coming back to the new legislation about self identifying, exactly how can this work if I can the day after the law is passed put on a mans suit and tie walk into some longstanding all men's club and they have to accept me? as it stands at the moment (and I didn't know this until this morning) under the equality any man dressed in female clothes can access women's changing rooms and toilets, I really don't think this has been thought through properly at all.

Now that I agree with.

And it flies in the face of all of the uproar we have had over gender stereotypes in regards to clothes, children's toys, colours where they shouldn't be associated with any particular gender anyway. So a woman in trousers being a man is so unprogressive and dated it's laughable.