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i will explain clearly why i think the cis description is entirely unnecessary. It is only in existence because the trans community want to be classified without distinction as being men or women. So they want unequivocal inclusion in those categories. The reality is that there is a distinction, so they have created the term cis and put everyone else in that bucket. So, in effect, they have removed the simple status of man and woman from those who were born as such and identify as such. With that being the basis of the distinction, it's just not going to be acceptable to the majority.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i will explain clearly why i think the cis description is entirely unnecessary. It is only in existence because the trans community want to be classified without distinction as being men or women. So they want unequivocal inclusion in those categories. The reality is that there is a distinction, so they have created the term cis and put everyone else in that bucket. So, in effect, they have removed the simple status of man and woman from those who were born as such and identify as such. With that being the basis of the distinction, it's just not going to be acceptable to the majority.

It's not though. You think cis means that men and women are separated by women/ciswomen and men/cismen? So transpeople are taking men/women for themselves and we are all left with cis? No. It's men and women of which there are cis/trans within each.

Mountain out of molehill.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i will explain clearly why i think the cis description is entirely unnecessary. It is only in existence because the trans community want to be classified without distinction as being men or women. So they want unequivocal inclusion in those categories. The reality is that there is a distinction, so they have created the term cis and put everyone else in that bucket. So, in effect, they have removed the simple status of man and woman from those who were born as such and identify as such. With that being the basis of the distinction, it's just not going to be acceptable to the majority.

Exactly. I just looked up a definition that said "Many transgender people prefer 'cisgender' to biologicial, genetic, real or male or female because of the implications of those".

Basically it is all about their feelings and to hell with how birth women feel. Not having it personally.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Exactly. I just looked up a definition that said "Many transgender people prefer 'cisgender' to biologicial, genetic, real or male or female because of the implications of those".

Basically it is all about their feelings and to hell with how birth women feel. Not having it personally.

So, it's bad for it to be all about their feelings, but fine for it to be all about yours?

Not contradictory at all.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, it's bad for it to be all about their feelings, but fine for it to be all about yours?

Not contradictory at all.

That could work both ways though - there needs to be some middle ground. I have no idea what that could be but as it stands there is always going to be a group who feel hard done to by this - who gets to decide who that is or how is could be addressed is impossible to imagine with such an emotive topic

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That could work both ways though - there needs to be some middle ground. I have no idea what that could be but as it stands there is always going to be a group who feel hard done to by this - who gets to decide who that is or how is could be addressed is impossible to imagine with such an emotive topic

Exactly.
I fear people will get bullied and hurt before it's all settled. But it has to be settled. I don't see trans issue going away, if anything it will become more prominent. This is the next big issue after settling the homosexuality issue.
I think the number of people questioning their gender will grow as now it is "allowed" by society until it reaches a natural plateau. We need a way of dealing with it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, it's bad for it to be all about their feelings, but fine for it to be all about yours?

Not contradictory at all.

If not all parties can be placated on this - then those born as women have priority in my opinion. We were born women so why would those that feel like women get priority. It makes no sense.

My biggest issues however are with self-identification due to the privacy and safety issues. That is not happening - women will NOT accept it. And woe betide those forcing it on us when the inevitable happens - and it will. There will be an uproar.