[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

And what will become of it, if any man is allowed to enter a woman-only space should they wake up in the morning and decide that they would like to identify as female?

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

Our local swimming pool had a problem with men sneaking into female changing rooms some time ago and holding phones and cameras under doors taking grimy pictures of young girls getting changed and I heard it was a common problem in many public areas like that.

Wake up - we have huge problems with sexual assault against women and young girls in this country and the world as a whole and such proposals will simply make it easier for such creeps to gain access - as it will be harder to challenge men who are hanging around.

Plus I think you will find it will be a lot more than 45% of women will not support this proposal - and we need to focus on them and their rights.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

I know you probably won't read, but others might.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/sto...ide-rate-mean/

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I know you probably won't read, but others might.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/sto...ide-rate-mean/

You're right, I'm not going to read from a source called "transgender trend". (Recent evidence shows it is neurological and not a choice or trend.)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You're right, I'm not going to read from a source called "transgender trend". (Recent evidence shows it is neurological and not a choice or trend.)

Recent evidence showed it MAY be neurological and not a choice - but was based on small numbers of people. It is not conclusive as yet.

Besides what does that have to do with either self-identification of men with no clinical diagnosis claiming to be female to access female only areas or the rights of one smaller group trampling over the rights of others.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Recent evidence showed it MAY be neurological and not a choice - but was based on small numbers of people. It is not conclusive as yet.

Besides what does that have to do with either self-identification of men with no clinical diagnosis claiming to be female to access female only areas or the rights of one smaller group trampling over the rights of others.

Well quite.

I have never ever had an issue with transsexual people, crack on, whatever makes you happy/feel better.

SelfID though I will always be against. Along with the lumping in of transsexual people with people who just do not follow stereotypes, crossdressers and drag queens under the 'trans' label. Transsexual people have bugger all in common with the other groups.