[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Would you believe me if I told you NHS beds aren't short because of immigrants and asylum seekers? I'm guessing you wouldn't.

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

Indeed.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I knowwww, it's because of the evil Tories and their evil cutbacks. But when we have fewer NHS beds - for whatever reason - bringing in more people, especially people from places without vaccines or decent healthcare, isn't the best idea.

Then what do you suggest? I'm not talking immigrants. I mean refugees?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Then what do you suggest? I'm not talking immigrants. I mean refugees?

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

[kirklancaster]

Where is the DEFINITIVE PROOF that some of those Refugees are not covert Terrorists, or have 'Terrorist Sympathies' or are not just opportunist 'Economic Migrants' taking advantage of the 'Refugee Crisis'?

We KNOW so very, very little about each and every individual that steps onto these shores as 'Refugees'.

And to decry anyone's legitimate claim that unfettered immigration - of any classification - does ADD to the burden on our already struggling NHS, POLICE, HOUSING and WELFARE SERVICES is, quite frankly banal.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

Well that Australian outback is pretty vast as is America etc,but their governments are looking after their own first,I am sure May would like do the same but the PC brigade wont let her, we have to take in kids with a beards and moustaches who say they are in danger when in fact some of them are a danger to us ,that has been proven. We are pretty stupid tbh,we must be a laughing stock,and sometimes I think when some of these people kill,rape and maim ,we bring it on ourselves.no one is saying deny genuine KIDS in need,but surely there needs to be better checks on some of these people.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

And to hell with the consequences.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And to hell with the consequences.

Says the woman who believes it was the EU who made us take the refugees!!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Says the woman who believes it was the EU who made us take the refugees!!

The EU are constantly demanding we take more as we are still part of the EU. But I am all for ignoring them as they are a bunch of self-serving idiots refusing to see all the problems it is creating.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

And name any one of those countries which are not now ********* up in at LEAST one way BECAUSE of their intake.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And name any one of those countries which are not now ********* up in at LEAST one way BECAUSE of their intake.

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-deb...onomic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-deb...onomic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

If you really BELIEVE the above Red, then OK, you are entitled to, but me? I'll believe what my eyes and ears have read and listened to.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jordan is in an economical doldrums because it lost its Kuwait and UAE donar and now has to fund its own military.
The Labanese economy is looking good, though they still have a lot of internal squabbling going on. (not over immigrants)
Greece is still chained to a rock from its sovereign debt crisis in 2010 but according to economic forecasts, its climbing its way out better than expected.
Italy, like the UK hasn't produced nearly enough growth since the world crash and a second recession in 2012
The U.S is a bit more complicated but this explains things well http://fortune.com/2018/02/16/us-deb...onomic-growth/

Apart from the Germans who have a huge amount of internal squabbling going on over 'immigration or not'. None of these countries are in peril because of the intake of foreigners.

I've been to the refugee camps in Jordan. You really have no idea.