[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So basically this is you saying if you don't like it you're transphobic?...

No.

Is this your 'juicy morsel', you don't have an opinion either way so nobody else is allowed one?

No.

Nobody as far as I see are 'fixated' Interested or invested even but not fixated.

Recently it seems like some people are a bit fixated, in my opinion, and a general idea that "trans is wrong" or that somehow the sanctity of womanhood(?) is being threatened by it is contributing to some over-the-top assessments of various issues.

[Cherry Christmas]

Isn't it the self identication that is the issue here? So here are two issues I have and maybe someone from the "no issues here guv" part of the forum can comment

If the self identification law is passed....any male can access a women's refuge

Any male can convert to Islam and access female only areas

Any female can identify as male and access men only clubs

Any female can convert to Islam and attend male only gatherings

I don't really have an issue with changing rooms as cubicles are more the norm than communal changing areas, I don't think trans is wrong and I don't think anyone else thinks that either ...transitioning...post op no issue, but wake up and decide today's the day ...no as the above are concerning to me, I know these are extreme examples but people do go to extremes at times

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Isn't it the self identication that is the issue here? So here are two issues I have and maybe someone from the "no issues here guv" part of the forum can comment

If the self identification law is passed....any male can access a women's refuge

Any male can convert to Islam and access female only areas

Any female can identify as male and access men only clubs

Any female can convert to Islam and attend male only gatherings

I don't really have an issue with changing rooms as cubicles are more the norm than communal changing areas, I don't think trans is wrong and I don't think anyone else thinks that either ...transitioning...post op no issue, but wake up and decide today's the day ...no as the above are concerning to me, I know these are extreme examples but people do go to extremes at times

asking for a second time? anyone care to comment

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

asking for a second time? anyone care to comment

They really hsven’t Thought this through in their rush to appease have they.

Or are they planning to make religious exceptions which to me undermines the whole concept of equality. I hope such a move would be contested if so.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

asking for a second time? anyone care to comment

Originally Posted by Cherie View Post
Isn't it the self identication that is the issue here? So here are two issues I have and maybe someone from the "no issues here guv" part of the forum can comment


I'm your man on this Cherie, because - to be quite honest - I had no idea what all this 'palaver' was about until reading through as the thread progressed, and now I think it is neo-Liberal PC gone UTTERLY and DANGEROUSLY 'La La'.


If the self identification law is passed....any male can access a women's refuge

Any male can convert to Islam and access female only areas

Any female can identify as male and access men only clubs

Any female can convert to Islam and attend male only gatherings

I don't really have an issue with changing rooms as cubicles are more the norm than communal changing areas, I don't think trans is wrong and I don't think anyone else thinks that either ...transitioning...post op no issue, but wake up and decide today's the day ...no as the above are concerning to me, I know these are extreme examples but people do go to extremes at times

True, but the real concern is; that it gives a 'Free Pass' to ANY pervert to indulge his voyeuristic inclinations or to any 'Flasher' who gets off on exhibiting himself to women.

Totally, totally BONKERS.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They really hsven’t Thought this through in their rush to appease have they.

Or are they planning to make religious exceptions which to me undermines the whole concept of equality. I hope such a move would be contested if so.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Originally Posted by Cherie View Post
Isn't it the self identication that is the issue here? So here are two issues I have and maybe someone from the "no issues here guv" part of the forum can comment


I'm your man on this Cherie, because - to be quite honest - I had no idea what all this 'palaver' was about until reading through as the thread progressed, and now I think it is neo-Liberal PC gone UTTERLY and DANGEROUSLY 'La La'.


If the self identification law is passed....any male can access a women's refuge

Any male can convert to Islam and access female only areas

Any female can identify as male and access men only clubs

Any female can convert to Islam and attend male only gatherings

I don't really have an issue with changing rooms as cubicles are more the norm than communal changing areas, I don't think trans is wrong and I don't think anyone else thinks that either ...transitioning...post op no issue, but wake up and decide today's the day ...no as the above are concerning to me, I know these are extreme examples but people do go to extremes at times

True, but the real concern is; that it gives a 'Free Pass' to ANY pervert to indulge his voyeuristic inclinations or to any 'Flasher' who gets off on exhibiting himself to women.

Totally, totally BONKERS.

Thanks both, I'm still waiting for a comment from those who feel women are making a big fuss over nothing and are in reality transphobic although apparently we don't know this yet and need it pointed out to us by males

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No.

Well sorry that's how you're coming across.

No.

Well sorry that's how you're coming across.



Recently it seems like some people are a bit fixated, in my opinion, and a general idea that "trans is wrong" or that somehow the sanctity of womanhood(?) is being threatened by it is contributing to some over-the-top assessments of various issues.

Nobody has said or even suggested that.
So before you didn't have an opinion but now you have an opinion and that is that mine or 'some' opinions are 'over the top assessments'?

Remember your view that women my age couldn't have an opinion on gaming or games? What qualifies you to comment here...
Not saying you can't or anything, but what?

I'm holding you to the same standard, how can you who have zero experience being a woman, or trans claim that my or 'some' opinions are over the top?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody has said or even suggested that.
So before you didn't have an opinion but now you have an opinion and that is that mine or 'some' opinions are 'over the top assessments'?

Remember your view that women my age couldn't have an opinion on gaming or games? What qualifies you to comment here...
Not saying you can't or anything, but what?

I'm holding you to the same standard, how can you who have zero experience being a woman, or trans claim that my or 'some' opinions are over the top?

Because I'm not criticising the opinions or saying that people don't have the right to have or state their opinions however they want. I'm questioning the way those opinions are being delivered because I'm wondering if people are being completely honest about the feelings that they have that are actually driving those opinions.

I don't really care if people have anti-trans ideologies or aversions. Honestly. What dies bother me, is people bull****ting and pretending that their opinions are driven by other things.

Also, once again Kizzy, I'm at a total loss as to how you've managed to read my posts and decide that it's you that I'm talking about. So self-important... It's a bit ridiculous.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because I'm not criticising the opinions or saying that people don't have the right to have or state their opinions however they want. I'm questioning the way those opinions are being delivered because I'm wondering if people are being completely honest about the feelings that they have that are actually driving those opinions.

I don't really care if people have anti-trans ideologies or aversions. Honestly. What dies bother me, is people bull****ting and pretending that their opinions are driven by other things.

Also, once again Kizzy, I'm at a total loss as to how you've managed to read my posts and decide that it's you that I'm talking about. So self-important... It's a bit ridiculous.

Aren't you being just as self important in deciding that other people are pretending their opinions? You don't know how other people think.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Aren't you being just as self important in deciding that other people are pretending their opinions? You don't know how other people think.

I'm sharing my opinion, anyone who wants to disagree is free to do so... that's entirely different from assuming that any and all posts that don't mention someone by name are "about you", as Kizzy has done at least 3 times with my posts recently. I am rarely, if ever, talking about Kizzy in these posts .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because I'm not criticising the opinions or saying that people don't have the right to have or state their opinions however they want. I'm questioning the way those opinions are being delivered because I'm wondering if people are being completely honest about the feelings that they have that are actually driving those opinions.

I don't really care if people have anti-trans ideologies or aversions. Honestly. What dies bother me, is people bull****ting and pretending that their opinions are driven by other things.

Also, once again Kizzy, I'm at a total loss as to how you've managed to read my posts and decide that it's you that I'm talking about. So self-important... It's a bit ridiculous.

You think that people are saying one thing but meaning another?... That's a very paranoid attitude, I'm not for a second suggesting you aimed this at me but rest assured I'm NOT in the habit of saying the opposite of what I mean... What I say is 99.9% of the time EXACTLY what I mean.

For clarification the post you made in relation to 'vitriolic' comments when I asked you for an example you QUOTED me... That might have been where I got the impression you were suggesting your reference included me.

I'm not going to apologise for your misleading accusation.
There are not that many people so deeply involved in this discussion that share my opinion but as you've stated categorically it isn't me I'll let you jab your little pointy finger at someone else.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You think that people are saying one thing but meaning another?... That's a very paranoid attitude, I'm not for a second suggesting you aimed this at me but rest assured I'm NOT in the habit of saying the opposite of what I mean... What I say is 99.9% of the time EXACTLY what I mean.

For clarification the post you made in relation to 'vitriolic' comments when I asked you for an example you QUOTED me... That might have been where I got the impression you were suggesting your reference included me.

I'm not going to apologise for your misleading accusation.
There are not that many people so deeply involved in this discussion that share my opinion but as you've stated categorically it isn't me I'll let you jab your little pointy finger at someone else.

tbf this is levied at people a lot in different discussions on TiBB so it should come as no surprise really

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

tbf this is levied at people a lot in different discussions on TiBB so it should come as no surprise really

It's a surprise to me here, I thought people had been very heartfelt in their views, you included.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a surprise to me here, I thought people had been very heartfelt in their views, you included.

yep, in fact pretty much all the women in here seem to share the exact same view which on any subject is almost unheard of, that in itself should make it more obvious that our concerns are coming from a genuine place