[JoshBB]

Has she responded to it yet or..

I hope its an accident, honestly.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Has she responded to it yet or..

I hope its an accident, honestly.

Her 'people' have said she said it was a 'middle aged moment'. Damage limitation I reckon after the hoards of threats of violence and such from transactivists in reply to her daring to like a tweet.

However the tweet remains liked.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Her 'people' have said she said it was a 'middle aged moment'. Damage limitation I reckon after the hoards of threats of violence and such from transactivists in reply to her daring to like a tweet.

However the tweet remains liked.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Her 'people' have said she said it was a 'middle aged moment'. Damage limitation I reckon after the hoards of threats of violence and such from transactivists in reply to her daring to like a tweet.

However the tweet remains liked.

Why aren’t Those trans activists making threats being charged and apologising. Who do they think they are!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Has she responded to it yet or..

I hope its an accident, honestly.

She responded to it instantly but you know the internet, it doesn't like to go "ooh misunderstood sorry" they prefer "OMFG I got absolutely bloody outraged instantly and I'm not backing down now. You can't click the wrong thing get me riled up and then make me look silly you're transphobic and trying to hide it!!! TELL US YOU'RE TRANSPHOBIC OR ELSE!!!"

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She responded to it instantly but you know the internet, it doesn't like to go "ooh misunderstood sorry" they prefer "OMFG I got absolutely bloody outraged instantly and I'm not backing down now. You can't click the wrong thing get me riled up and then make me look silly you're transphobic and trying to hide it!!! TELL US YOU'RE TRANSPHOBIC OR ELSE!!!"

Not quite. Her 'reps' responded to it. Her reps claimed she was holding her phone incorrectly.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not quite. Her 'reps' responded to it. Her reps claimed she was holding her phone incorrectly.

But people would rather believe such a famous woman with so much control over her public image would deliberately air some rather extreme and offensive view about a minority? Expose herself and her whole brand as transphobic.

I think it's a half truth. She agrees with the sentiment of the tweet before the transphobic insult. But, possibly just like on here, didn't see or intend "man in a dress" to be taken quite the way it has.

Then again the woman's probably had enough. They had the pitchforks out for her when she said Dumbledore wouldn't reference his sexuality in the next FB movie. She must make him all about being gay now.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But people would rather believe such a famous woman with so much control over her public image would deliberately air some rather extreme and offensive view about a minority? Expose herself and her whole brand as transphobic.

I think it's a half truth. She agrees with the sentiment of the tweet before the transphobic insult. But, possibly just like on here, didn't see or intend "man in a dress" to be taken quite the way it has.

Then again the woman's probably had enough. They had the pitchforks out for her when she said Dumbledore wouldn't reference his sexuality in the next FB movie. She must make him all about being gay now.

I think it's fairer to say that some folk aren't begging to jump on a particular bandwagon. I thought as writers, we write about the things we know... to expect all those writers to then include certain minorities and trans-folk in all their stories, is a bit silly... because then the next thing that will be said is "Well, what do you know about X issues/contexts, so how could you write about this authentically?..." It's not a battle any creator of things can win I think.

There is a huge following of LGBT fanfolk who have rewritten or redrawn Harry Potter characters in those different contexts, and I think they do a far better job than the original creator in translating those characters to those romantic contexts... so I think that this is area of fanfolk, to reimagine these role models in those specific contexts... that doesn't dismiss that other writers or creators may create something totally new tomorrow (or even Rowling herself)... but then that again--she may very well be accused for only jumping on the bandwagon to "save herself" or some inauthentic nod.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think it's fairer to say that some folk aren't begging to jump on a particular bandwagon. I thought as writers, we write about the things we know... to expect all those writers to then include certain minorities and trans-folk in all their stories, is a bit silly... because then the next thing that will be said is "Well, what do you know about X issues/contexts, so how could you write about this authentically?..." It's not a battle any creator of things can win I think.

There is a huge following of LGBT fanfolk who have rewritten or redrawn Harry Potter characters in those different contexts, and I think they do a far better job than the original creator in translating those characters to those romantic contexts... so I think that this is area of fanfolk, to reimagine these role models in those specific contexts... that doesn't dismiss that other writers or creators may create something totally new tomorrow (or even Rowling herself)... but then that again--she may very well be accused for only jumping on the bandwagon to "save herself" or some inauthentic nod.

Oh no. I mean Dumbledore is gay . They're not asking her to just include a gay character or make one gay. Dumbledore is.

But he doesn't reference it because it's not really relevant.

I'd say that's much more progressive than making a song and dance out of it. We're passed the stage where any and all gay characters must make the story all about being gay, so it makes me think some people are their own worst enemies. They want to be accepted and then at that crucial stage they fear being nothing special and just one of the kind.

My take on it anyway.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh no. I mean Dumbledore is gay . They're not asking her to just include a gay character or make one gay. Dumbledore is.

But he doesn't reference it because it's not really relevant.

I'd say that's much more progressive than making a song and dance out of it. We're passed the stage where any and all gay characters must make the story all about being gay, so it makes me think some people are their own worst enemies. They want to be accepted and then at that crucial stage they fear being nothing special and just one of the kind.

My take on it anyway.

Mine too Marsh - Exactly so.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh no. I mean Dumbledore is gay . They're not asking her to just include a gay character or make one gay. Dumbledore is.

But he doesn't reference it because it's not really relevant.

I'd say that's much more progressive than making a song and dance out of it. We're passed the stage where any and all gay characters must make the story all about being gay, so it makes me think some people are their own worst enemies. They want to be accepted and then at that crucial stage they fear being nothing special and just one of the kind.

My take on it anyway.

Right, but that's what I mean. It's not her bread and butter and so she prefers to keep the story around the main plotline. Though I think some people relate so well with some of the smaller aspects of the story, that they can't really understand why it doesn't get fleshed out in canon...

In Japanese manga/anime, it's the complete opposite. Gay characters are brought into main storylines all the time and they're not afraid to put in a blaringly over the top crossdressing/over the top macho male gay character for comedic relief either. But that could be perceived here as being anti-LGBT as it's considered a "sensitive" area... whereas LGBT characters have been quite prevalent for some time in manga. For example, Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune's storyline in Sailor Moon which was heavily censored here (they're cousins in that version) in the syndicated for TV American version... but left as is in the English manga iirc.

Sailor Neptune and Uranus Come Out of the Fictional Closet
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sara-...b_5353859.html

[Vicky.]

But, possibly just like on here, didn't see or intend "man in a dress" to be taken quite the way it has.

Well quite. Man in a dress, was not meaning to reference transsexuals. It was about quite literal men in dresses.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then again the woman's probably had enough. They had the pitchforks out for her when she said Dumbledore wouldn't reference his sexuality in the next FB movie. She must make him all about being gay now.

Haha did she really get **** for that...

I have read theories that snape is apparently trans before. The tells are all there they say..

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well quite. Man in a dress, was not meaning to reference transsexuals. It was about quite literal men in dresses.



Haha did she really get **** for that...

I have read theories that snape is apparently trans before. The tells are all there they say..

Snape was a doppelganger for the mum of an old friend of mine so I would buy that deffo.