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Yes, he has served his time & should be allowed to return to society as normal |
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24 | 47.06% | |||
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1 | 1.96% | |||
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No, it would be a bad example & he should not be allowed to play football professionally again |
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26 | 50.98% | |||
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Locke.
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He was convicted on a 5 year sentence in April 2012 and will be released this week.
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Banned
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I can see it from both sides of the argument. It sends a bad message to re-sign him but what is the point in the prison system if it prevents someone who has successfully completed a prison term from contributing to society? It's certainly a deterrent to reformation if ex-cons aren't given the chance to prove themselves.
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Hands off my Brick!
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If he's served his time that's that i suppose. Should he be allowed to have any job anywhere eve again? being a football player is no different to any other job. should he be allowed to work at Tesco?
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I think he should be allowed back, he's served his time, no need to punish the man for the rest of his life. His crime had nothing to do with his ability to play football. The thing he was convicted for is such a grey area anyway; it's as easy to imagine he took advantage of a drunk girl as it is to imagine they were both drunk, had sex and then she later claimed rape.
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 16-10-2014 at 11:01 AM. |
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Flag shagger.
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What's the point of making someone serve a sentence as punishment if the punishment is actually going to go on forever. If he is not allowed to return to his job, whatever that job may be, that will surely affect others who have served jail time, paid for their crime and then continued to be punished after they're released.
The exception would obviously be for people who have been convicted of crimes against children, they should obviously not be allowed to work with children ever again. |
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Don't be afraid to be weak. Last edited by lostalex; 16-10-2014 at 11:03 AM. |
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Remembering Kerry
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The peoples princesses
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Totally, he's served his time.
Plus what message are we sending out saying that people that have served their time shouldn't return to their full time job and bring in taxes? Rather a rapist earn his own money (and add thousands to the tax system) than claim benefits for the rest of his life. |
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Nope. His job elevates him to a celebrity of sorts, his face could be in a paper somewhere and his victim sees it by accident. He should be allowed a job back in conjunction with football but not the one he had, keep him in the background.
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Considering what we now know about the celebrities of the 80's and 90's on british TV, if you tried to keep all the sex offenders off you might as well just make TV illegal. Hell maybe we should just throw acid in everyone's eyes, blind the public just to make sure they don't see anything offensive.
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Queen of Walford
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The peoples princesses
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Although we have to protect her as much as him, so I see where you're coming from |
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Queen of Walford
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I'm not against him earning a living but such a high profile one...I don't personally feel he should be allowed to return to it.
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I Love Niamh’s Brick
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I agree, Sorry but glorifying a rapist back into celebrity status is just as bad as carrying on a punishment. The message that sends out is that it doesn't matter if you rape somebody you can still go back to being a celebrity.
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Also, celebrity isn't exactly something you choose. He isn't "going back to" being a celebrity. He is still a celebrity. Just (allegedly) a celebrity who raped someone. Rolf Harris is still a celebrity. Gary Glitter is still a celebrity. ... Jack the Ripper is a celebrity, of sorts. |
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All hail the Moyesiah
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Also agree with the second point. It's still unclear whether Evans will play again but he has still been plastered across the papers every day and stories are constantly being run on what he's been up to since his release and the various reactions to his story. True he might fade into obscurity gradually if he was never to play but celebrity status isn't something that can immediately be flicked off like a switch. |
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I Love Niamh’s Brick
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self-oscillating
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A lot of people seem to have missed the point, by a long margin.
Firstly, it is not the guilty person that makes himself a celebrity, this is not under his personal control. Secondly, someone who has served a prison sentence has done their time, and not acknowledging remorse is their human right of defense in not admitting to the crime in the first place. Perfectly acceptable human right. Thirdly, the employer has the right to refuse employment on the grounds of the prospective employee having committed a criminal offense. The choice is theirs. If they choose to employ, then they accept the potential consequences. Very simple really. |
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Likes cars that go boom
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You only hold celebrity status whilst you are celebrated, once you are defamed as glitter/harris I don't feel they are a 'celebrity' in the real sense of the word merely an ex singer and presenter imo.
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The voice of reason
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The argument against seems to be about him being a role model for kids. Surely kids take no interest in the players criminal past even if they were made aware and could actually comprehend what he did?
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Flag shagger.
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Because generally, footballers are suitable role models?
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Likes cars that go boom
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Sportsmen and women are ambassadors of sorts and they are looked up to, they always have been seen as positive role models. This would send out a very odd message imo.
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so maybe we should stop the media from propping up sports stars as heroes, ever consider that? maybe we should prop up scientists as heroes, is that crazy?
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